>OK, Lets see if I have this straight, >from what I have read; > >- Methanol is bad as a single fuel unless designed for it, but ok to >disperse water as an additive like Heet, >- Washed Biodiesel is a compound containing methanol so it does not >react like methanol nor have its properties - But if you don't wash your >Biodiesel it could have
Will have. >unreacted methanol and this could be bad. Is bad. >(along >with all the other gunk of not washing). >- Biodiesel has had some good results as an additive in gas engines >(small quantities) for upper engine lubrication.(and some 2 strokes) > >So if I have a grip on the above, [new question] I wonder if one >should try to pull off stray methanol from the biodiesel (vacume >recovery) before washing? or is this more labor than value? Labour aside, it might mean putting more energy in than you're getting out, it depends how you do it. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methreclaim Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Reclaiming excess methanol Best wishes Keith >Wisdom to all, >Jim > >Keith Addison wrote: > > > Hi Gregg > > > > Hi Keith, > > > > > > I was just giving him info that I had run across in the owner's > > manual of a car I'd just bought to which I was thinking of adding > > a little BD with the gas. Once I saw that warning, I elected to > > err on the side of caution. I have seen that warning in at least 4 > > owner's manuals from different auto makers. > > > > > > But they were warning about methanol, not methyl esters. On the same > > basis, it needs oxygen to burn the fuel, will you give it water > > instead? Water has oxygen in it. > > > > I said "I don't think", AFAIK: > > > > I'm not quite sure what you're saying Gregg, but I don't think methyl > > esters are a form of methanol any more than water is a form of > > oxygen. > > > > Free methanol in unwashed biodiesel is another matter though. > > > > > > If so, the warning just doesn't apply to biodiesel. As long as it's > > washed properly. We need a chemist's opinion. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Keith > > > > > > If the vehicle he was referring to is an older model, then he may > > not have any problems what so ever. As for use in his lawn mower > > engine, "I love the smell of BD in the morning". > > > > > > Sincerely, > > Gregg > > > > */Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > > > Hello Christopher and all > > > > >Hi: > > > > > >Don't professional race car drivers use methanol in their > > engines? So > > >why can't it be used in an ordinary car? I'm guessing race car > > engines > > >should be more sensitive. Anyone care to comment? > > > > > >Best, > > >Christopher > > > > I went looking some time back and foun this at a race site. I've seen > > some other references to parts of it. Seems those racecars have > > special engines, thoroughly corrosion-proofed, no exposed aluminium, > > the entire fuel system is internally coated with Teflon and stainless > > steel, the fuel bladder is made of a special compound, the valve > > seats are brass, no fuel is left in the engine overnight, the > > cylinder walls have to be fogged with oil so they won't rust. "Turns > > aluminum to powder..." > > > > There's this too: > > http://www.bera1.org/LA-buses.ht! ml > > Los Angeles Evaluation of Methanol- and Ethanol-Fueled Buses > > > > >Gregg Davidson wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > > > The * VERY * first thing you need to make sure of when putting > > > > biodiesel in your gasoline engine is that the addition of > > methanol > > > > in * ANY * form will not damage your engine. *I strongly > > suggest* * > > > > you read your owners manual *. > > > > I'm not quite sure what you're saying Gregg, but I don't think methyl > > esters are a form of methanol any more than water is a form of > > oxygen. > > > > Free methanol in unwashed biodiesel is another matter though. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > *I recently bought a new vehicle & out of couriousity looked > > at the > > > > fuel specs. Use of gasoline, and */* or gasoline-ethanol* > > *mixtures is > > > > > > > allowed, but gasoline-methanol mixtures or the addition of > > methanol in > > > > > > > any way, shape, form, or fashion! can damage or destroy vital > > engine > > > > components.* > > > > ** > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Gregg Davidson > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > >Thanks Greg, > > >I decided against using it as an additive right now except into > > an old > > >lawn mower that I have. ( no loss..probably should be in dump > > anyway) > > >But I did use it in an old Kerosene lamp. I guess its just so > > cool to > > >see something you made do what its supposed to (quality tests) > > then to > > >see it burn so clean no smoke at all .... well thats just cool. I > > plan > > >on having the ASTM testing done for quality before I use it in my > > >Cumins.....I have a long ways to go before I am at that level > > though. > > > > > >I am still looking for information about white PVC pipe and and > > how it > > >stands the chemicals. I want to experiment with my venturis as a > > vacume > > >source and for introduction of Methoxil. Any guidance?? > > > > > > > > > ! > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > * > > > > * > > > > */Keith Addison /* wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Jim > > > > > > > > >I had some general question about Biodiesel: > > > > > > > > > >1. I have some PVC Venturis that I thought would work for mixing > > >the > > > > >Methoxil and oil together. Would it tear up the PVC? How about > > > > Venturis > > > > >and PVC in the washing process? > > > > > > > > > >2. How much if any Biodiesel can be added to gasoline engines as > > >an > > > > >upper lubricant and carb cleaner additive? > > > > > > > > See: > > > > > > > > Biodiesel in gasoline engines > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#gas > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > >3. Has any one gotten good results from this us! age of > > biodiesel? > > > > > > > > > >4. Will this use work with 2 stroke engines? I need to winterize > > > > my boat > > > > >and wonder how that would work as opposed to sea foam. > > > > > > > > > >5. I can get methanol for $2.24 US is this good bad or average? > > > > > > > > > >Thank you > > > > >Jim _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
