Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila

[Ramon]

Hi Chris,

 

Is this true that Coops are not allowed to make their own biodiesel?  This sounds unreasonable.  I guess this is just big oil, big biodiesel, and the politicians and bureaucrats way of making sure that their profits are secured.  That's rather depressing news for me since my idea was to help coops learn the technology, hoping that if enough coops throughout the islands begin making their own fuel it would free many communities from the stranglehold that Big Oil and "government".  My dream is to have a small biodiesel making plant with the goal of transfering the technology to other similarly-inclined people.  Sort of like these people:

 

Perhaps what this restriction is saying is that groups of people (Coops) cannot make and SELL their biodiesel, using the excuse that their product would not be "up to standard".  But does this mean that, for instance, a group of jeepney drivers cannot make biodiesel for their own consumption?  How can the government justify such a thing?

 

Best regards,

Mon

 

PS - What I hope for is something similar to http://www.greaseworks.org/

 

http://www.greaseworks.org/mission

"

We are a group of environmentally conscious biologists, students, working human beings, lawyers, farmers, professors and small business owners, who are committed to supporting renewable, domestically produced, vegetable-based alternative fuels. We adhere to the philosophy of leading by example, and thus use biodiesel and SVO in our personal vehicles. If change is to come, we, as individuals, must change. We have a vision of a world where the most important facet of any decision is the health of the Earth and the health of its inhabitants--both human and non-human alike. It is our belief that renewable energy and appropriate technology will, in the years to come, be the modus operandi of our western culture--not so much out of desire as necessity. The unifying thread of our Co-op is sustainability, and to those ends we stare boldly into the future and offer a viable alternative to petroleum."

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On 9/23/05, Chris Tan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Patrick,

 

It's not that the government is not strict about standards. The government doesn't have a standard in the first place. The government with all its manpower (which we pay for with our taxes) cannot or would not make a standard of its own. Take biodiesel for example, I tried contacting DoE about our government's standard but have not receive any concrete answer. And yet Senbel other two big chemical companies are already marketing their expensive biodiesel additive. They are dictated by big business or by the highest bidder. A pamphlet posted on DoE's website says that biodiesel cannot be made by cooperatives or such. Guess who they got the pamphlet from? From who else but Senbel.

 

Regards,

Chris

 

 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila

 

Hi All,

 

Thanks for the replies... The reason why I'm a little bit hesitant is well mainly because the info drive here in Manila is not that good and second some unscrupulous business men before are selling unleaded gas (prior to E10) that has water in it. That's a real bummer but now they are at the hands of the law.

 

Probably I'll continue using E10 at my old car and will just fill my new car if the masses here would start patronizing E10, coz most of the time the gas station that I bought E10 doesn't have that much customers compared to the gas stations of Shell, Caltex (Chevron Texaco in the US) and Petron (a local venture that has a saudi partner). It's good to know that a lot of people around the world are using E10/E85, it's just that the standards here in the Philippines are not that strict. Like for example when you manufacture Ethanol, you guys there in the commercial level applies strict standards to ensure that the product you're selling is really good right? Here in the Philippines doesn't go that way. The issue I think here is more of the consumers confidence towards Ethanol because as I've said the standards here are not that super strict compared to for example the US.

 

To Ramon - E10 is 10% Ethanol blend and 90% unleaded gasoline. I don't do the mixing, I buy it from one of the minor oil players here. The major players (Shell, Caltex and Petron) don't carry yet Ethanol in their products.

 

By the way guys, how about the computer that is controlling the fuel system or whatever you call that... fuel intake of your car? That won't be messed up right if filling up E10?

 

So to sum it all, E10 is just your ordinary unleaded fuel provided that strict measures/standards are enforced in manufacturing the said fuel?

 

Regards,

Patrick

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