Re: [Biofuel] Montanas energy future was US Montana’s energy future

[Joe Street]

Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ecemail.uwaterloo.ca id jA1GxABi001271 So give the bags.  You have no use for them anyways and ther ARE reusable.  Plus it will have the effect of humbling (some of ) them and may be a step towards some of them becoming curious about you and what you do.  When they come to ask, you will have the chance to impress them with how sensible you are and how you are doing a good thing.  They may even be hit with a fit of conscience and begin to follow suit.  You never know...... Joe JJJN wrote: Thanks Tom, I have started gardening and finally got the hang of compost thanks to JtF. I got a big grinder and shred every thing from all the leaves that the neighbors bag up for land fill to newspapers and household paper trash. I would nothing to leave the house for a landfill so I try not to buy products that I cant grind into compost. I was raised by parents that were in the organic movement so I got some good learning from them but I wish I would have paid more attention. The more I do of this stuff the more I see how things work in cycles like you say. I wish I had a small farm to be more independent. I am just overwhelmed at the amount of money people spend on packaging and things like that. I wonder though - people here think I am a nut case for picking up the bags of leaves they set on the curb, and I look at those same folks shelling out 5-10$ a bag for the very same thing they gave me last Fall -Compost??? One side effect of this is I get hundreds of top notch clean slightly used black garbage bags that I have no use for... yet... I've been thinking about selling them next fall to those folks but since they are used they probably wouldn't sell ...would that be fair? Jim Tom Irwin wrote: Hello Jim, Awareness is a good first step and you seem to have taken it. Keep reading and learning more. Then comes the application of what you learn. That´s kind of a personal choice. Begin with what you like. Expand from there. I like to take what most people think of as wastes and turn them into useful products. I also like to grow things. So I combined these and use my household organic wastes (vegetable and fruit peels mostly) to feed some worms in a wormbox. The worms produce an excellent fertilizer that I use on my raspberries. I eat the raspberries. I look to complete cycles. The more you try this, the more awareness you get....the more reading you do...oops another cycle. Tom Irwin *From:* JJJN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:23:44 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Montanas energy future was US Montana’s energy future Keith, Thanks for the reply. It truly frustrates me as it is so correct. I may have missed something but at the end you stated " Methinks this is no longer a good survival model, there seem to be several meteorites headed its way. Oh, sorry, I forgot, you don't get meteorites on a Flat Earth do you, lots of dinosaurs, no meteorites (according to the dinosaurs). Please keep in mind I am rather naive and new at thinking in the terms of conservation and trying to do whats best to help make a changes that will serve more than myself. Yes I was and may still be to some extent more self serving than I should be, but at least I now have an awareness that I share my space and need to consider others. Any way you have my full attention. Well just for the record I understand the present system is on its way out to something worse before better, but what is the best way for an individual to go forward to effect positive change?? Thanks, Jim Keith Addison wrote: >>OK Mike, >>I went to, http://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/ >>and it says we do have a policy "National Energy Policy" to be exact, >>but you must be referring to hopelessly pathetic message it contains, if >>not that then perhaps the cryptic coded quote by our great leader that >>we can still have Yellowstone Park while we find more oil (who me >>worry?), or perhaps if we manipulate our clocks some more we can save >>the world,or or or well ok Mike your right We really don't have an >>energy policy, not even a failed one. ;-) >> >> > >Paying for the next election is top of the list for the politicians, >cutting a bigger slice in the interdepartmental budget wars and >office-politics territory battles is uppermost for the bureaucrats >and "oaf-icials", and for the corporations that own them all the next >board meeting, the AGM and the bottom-line are all that count, and >you want policy?? It would be quite nice I suppose. > >Japan doesn't do policy either, no actual policy on anything anywhere >to be seen, "policy" is what emerges from mostly invisible >horse-trading among powerful fiefdoms constantly jostling for >position and defending their share of the spoils, whose thinking and >goals are in no way representative of those of the community. The EU >does policy, good or bad or both, so do China, India, Brazil, South >Africa and a few others, and people like Chavez and Castro. Saudi >Arabia et al's policy turns out to be a sham - having helped deliver >the US election as promised it now emerges that the rumours are true >that they haven't got the reserves anyway and neither has anyone else >(like Shell), their policy's just a big slice of pie-in-the-sky. (See >Matt Simmonds in the list archives.) Most of the rest of the world is >just trying to survive, not enough options for much policy as such. >Which leaves a whole bunch of rich industrialised countries with lots >of window-dressing on the policy front but it's just a puppet show, >like the US and Japan. > >Methinks this is no longer a good survival model, there seem to be >several meteorites headed its way. Oh, sorry, I forgot, you don't get >meteorites on a Flat Earth do you, lots of dinosaurs, no meteorites >(according to the dinosaurs). > >Best > >Keith > > > > >>Jim >> >>Mike Weaver wrote: >> >> >> >>>Only quibble with that is that we don't really have an energy policy. >>>It's just consume consume consume, and damn the cost. >>> >>>JJJN wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi MH, >>>> >>>>I do like the excerpt >>>> >>>>ìMontana does not have to become a national sacrifice area >>>>for a faulty federal energy policy.î >>>> >>>>I guess when Americans are hooked like winos on cheap fuel the fastest >>>>way to get them a fix is the stance most politico's take. Coal is a >>>>loser. Gov. Schweitzer understands this and would like to push harder >>>>but remember it is like selling bibles in a bar room. I think the grass >>>>roots movement that we are involved in with Biofuels will effect more >>>>change. It is nice to see them talking though and it never hurts to >>>>write a guy like Brian a letter. >>>> >>>>Thanks for the interesting post >>>>Jim >>>> >>>> >>>>MH wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Peering into Montanaís energy future >>>>>By WILBUR WOOD For The Outpost >>>>>http://www.billingsnews.com/story?storyid=18357&issue=289 <http://www.billingsnews.com/story?storyid=18357&issue=289> >>>>> >>>>> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/