poor/ middle class - then you don't really count. Do you have a lobbyist? How many congresspeople do you control? Besides, we're getting off-point. The issue isn't really that the whole world is against us, we're feeding lives, tax dollars and borrowed money into Iraq at an unsustainable rate, our health care system only works for the wealthy, we're hooked on foreign oil and have a recored trade imbalance and deficit. No, the real issue is, uh, GAY MARRIAGE! If you don't vote for me, GAY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO AND GET MARRIED! And if that's out of steam, uh, the liberals want to ban prayer in school!
Just like Lucy, Charlie Brown and the ol' football trick, it works everytime. radema wrote: >Nike, >Opinion is a matter of perspective. That is why we have lobbyists. Your, >‘tongue in cheek comments’, on Government efficiency are certainly accurate, >from the perspective of the beneficiaries (wealthy). Mine are written from >the perspective of the overtaxed (poor/ middle class). My comments were >originally made after thread participants were suggesting more tax as a viable >solution. > >When lawmakers hear this (even once), they seize and spin to build more >incoming revenue. The first inefficiency we need to tackle is us. We need to >recognize that it is no longer all right to raise taxes. > > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:12:45 -0500 > > > >>You're using the wrong metrics. The US government works perfectly >>well. It transfers money from the poor to the wealthy, and quite well I >>might add, so I don't buy your not efficient argument. Just look at the >>recent energy bill. Look at the Halliburton contracts. This is a very >>efficient, well-run system. What did you think the government is >>supposed to do? >> >>radema wrote: >> >> >> >>>Great discussion threads. I find myself drawn in without restraint. >>> >>>IMO, the largest problem facing us via government isn't reactive governing, >>>its waste (politically attractive) and vote buying (democracy). >>> >>>While the case can be made for higher Government revenue requiremnts, it is >>>predicated on the assumption that Government works efficiently. This is >>>folly in the extreme sense. We are witness to personal agendas from the top >>>down to the smallest fiefdom. >>> >>>A thick self-serving union layer checks, double checks or escalates every >>>daily activity for dual custody deniability. A narrowly defined job scope >>>is rigorously designed to allow the use of unskilled labor and systemically >>>CYA when a resource is confronted by a new or evolutionary 'issue' >>>(previously undefined). In other words the system loses issues where >>>resources are not protected. >>> >>>Output is politically attractive in the form of plausible deniability. >>>Action plans are equated to procedure and the optic of action. This results >>>in "productivity" that is not objective driven. >>> >>>Rad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:53:33 -0500 (EST) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>There are major costs besides road maintenance and building, such as >>>>health costs of pollution medical (National Health Service) and other >>>>costs related to accidents, costs of policing. Back in the late 80's >>>>Pollution Probe in Toronto published a study "The Costs of the Car" >>>>which estimted that charging all costs to fuel would result in a total >>>>gasoline price of $5 to$6 CDN per Imperial gallon. the price would be >>>>almost double now. Also, the more roads the less land there is for >>>>other uses and the lower the tax base to pay for ever increasing roads >>>>and infrastructure. The ultimate solution is charges for road >>>>use; difficult but becoming easier with the advance of computers and >>>>electronics. >>>> >>>>Doug Woodard >>>>St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada >>>> >>>> >>>>On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Chris lloyd wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>If you are talking about hybrids that use electricity the government >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>gets the fuel side tax but would have a rough time implementing a zap >>>>>tax for charging the vehicle but its not out of the question they may try.< >>>>> >>>>>Here in the UK we buy a licence to use our vehicles on public roads, I pay >>>>>about 280 dollars a year which is far more than is required for road >>>>>maintenance/building. 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