Without knowing more about the chemical composition of the product mix, it is difficult to say much about the physical properties. Application of high voltage to the oil would produce a welter of products I would guess, so there is no way of knowing what the properties are. For example the "etherified glycerin" could be 1,2,3-trimethoxypropane, which has a boiling point and viscosity much more like gasoline than diesel fuel.
Joe Street wrote: > Hi Teoman, and Bob; > > If this process eventually works it will require not just high voltage > but current as well, something like 300 mA at 2Kv. That, you won't get > from a 9v battery. > I have temporarily suspended my work on the alternative process. > Initial tests were not too inspiring. This does not mean I have given > up but I have returned to putting time and energy (pun) into my > conventional reactor and trying to kick start a cooperative in my > community. When time permits I have some ideas I want to investigate > with the HV setup. BTW since the thread came back up ( and wish you > would have kept the subject line the same) I have a question for the > chemistry propeller heads out there. This was flagged in my brain when > the recent discussion of butanol for biodiesel came up. Someone said > that the viscosity of biodiesel made with butanol would necessarily be > higher due to the longer carbon chains in the butanol used in the > esterification. The patent application for the electrified biodiesel > had a comment about longer carbon chains in the esters due to the > electrified process. Would this mean higher viscosity? This has always > been a question in my mind since there is no glycerine precipitate, and > the bi-product which is a 'etherified glycerine' remains dissolved in > the esters how does one know if the reaction takes place other than > using fancy tests such as spectroscopy or NMR? I would guess that if > there is to be a change in viscosity that there might be a change in > specific gravity in which case the volume should go up, or is this a > naive assumption? Please excuse my ignorance I'm more of an electronic > type. > > Joe > > bob allen wrote: > >>Howdy Teoman, >> >>looking back in the archives I find the link: >> >>http://tinyurl.com/8hjv7 >> >>this is to a patent application, not a patent. Even if the process is >>patented, does that mean that >>the patent office has checked out the process and confirms that it actually >>works as described, or >>simply that the process is novel and has not been described before? >> >> >> >> >> >>Teoman Naskali wrote: >> >> >>>Some time ago ther was a thread about producing bd in an alternative >>>way, using electricity. Very high voltages were necessary. >>> >>> I recently saw one of those electric zapper thingies. The >>>ones used for self protetction. Handheld device that gives 200.000 >>>volts. And it operates on 2 x 9V batteries. >>> >>> When you use the device you can actually see the electric >>>arc jump about 2 cm in the air. >>> >>> You could use this device for the generation of high voltages. >>> >>> >>> >>>Hope someone finds this info is usefull. >>> >>> >>> >>>Teoman >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Biofuel mailing list >>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.2/208 - Release Date: 12/20/2005 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob "Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves" - Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
