>How's about all dropping shares/stocks in oil and related products/goods,
What if you'd have to buy them first but you haven't got any money? >just dumping them and investing in gold? :-) That's worse than Euros, revolutionary talk, the Empire won't like it. You don't happen to have any WMDs stashed about the place do you? I'd run into the jungle and hide if I were you or they'll nuke you anyway. But then you're not squatting on an oilwell, come to think of it, you'll be okay, like Kim Jong Il. >1976 -1977 Gettie oil was in Nabalek/Ranger uranium mining/surveying in >Australia, now Iran has the stuff, all in the same basket them bods. Get rid >of the oil and shares go into gold as a commodity and see who worries? Sloan >is gone but the wind left is not sweet. Edzell destroyed by his father, if >this be the case why not the globe? You lost me there. >It will probably take agitation from all or most countries Not the countries, the people. Sod the countries. >plus some to veer >the ship we all sail in only a few degrees towards a more appropriate >course. To get on course in one heave on the helm seems all but an >impossible dream. True. But it's the impossible dreams that drag the great human achievements in their wake. "Goals are dreams with deadlines" (or something like that). >How many will die in Iran to get the Gett stuff back? The profits on the >sales with minimal taxes and the men and women that will pay with lives and >taxes to get those profits back if the duo has their way. Perhaps the duo >can be used to fuel a reactor?? :-) Maybe, quite poetic symmetry. Too toxic for composting, I definitely wouldn't eat the veggies. Gasification? Fischer-Tropsch? You'll want something that'll handle prions and worse. But I think in this case you can only hope for two of the 3Rs: Reduce most definitely and Recycle if possible but Reuse is totally out. LOL! Rings a bell... from previous: >>There is no doubt at this point that global warming is occurring >>even among some republicans. > >There's no doubt even among some republicans or it's occurring even >among some republicans? The first, cause to rejoice (though that's >been the case for awhile I think), if the second, depending who they >are, if they're becoming prone to spontaneous combustion should we >shed tears or consider them as an alternative energy source? :-) A limited resource. Best Keith >Doug > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:06 AM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? > > > > Hi Keith, > > I hope you are right about Americans. Are enough of them agitating > > Congress > > so that some action will be taken that will rid us of the Dumb-Duo? Geez, > > it'd > > be so nice. (Maybe you see things more clearly from Tokyo.) Or at least > > take back the war making powers they so generously gave to our gonzo > > War President. > > I was really disheartened when I got a reply from Sen. Obama which > > said there was a better way than impeachment. I had a lot of hope in this > > guy > > and got such a lame reply. Sen. Durbin didn't reply. > > I never was involved in politics until we got Bushed again. Watching >this > > fool before and after 9/11 drove me to join a progressive group of > > Democrats in St Louis. It does seem that his ineptness and hypocrisy > > really woke up a lot of people here. > > Thanks for those links. I read the one where distrust in public > > institutions > > is falling. Hopefully this'll make governments more sensitive to their > > people. > > As it stands it seems regular working people are getting screwed while big > > corporations > > are having wet dreams, having every wish fulfilled by the government. This > > extends all the way down to city governments as well. > > Many thanks to you! Peace and justice, D. Mindock P.S. I will look at >those > > two other links on the > > Art of War and Tao Te Ching. They look useful, indeed! > > > > > >Keith, > > >> > > >> Most (or enough) Americans are asleep or indifferent. > > > > > > Don't believe it! We were discussing it here about a week ago. > > > > > >>If we had a real > > >>mainstream media here, that > > >>didn't screen out news unfavorable to the administration, especially the > > >>bogus wars, things would never deteriorated to the low > > >>level we have now. > > > > > > But they did, and there were glaring signs long ago that you had to > > > take urgent action to counter corporate ownership concentration of > > > your media. Okay, it's understandable that such a high-intensity > > > ongoing barrage of engineered opinion engineering would send "enough" > > > of you to asleep "enough" of the time for everything to fall to > > > pieces about your ears and you didn't even notice. Maybe that's your > > > affair, or even your prerogative, but the problem is all the stuff > > > Washington and Wall Street export to the rest of us, using your tax > > > money (when they're not stealing it from you) and your inattention to > > > do it. One thing you have to wake up to is that you're part of the > > > rest of us. > > > > > > It's not your prerogative not to notice it when at long last there > > > are such stirrings and rumblings all about and, finally, a head of > > > steam gathered that's spreading like wildfire and sweeping up > > > everything else along with it in what's clearly an awakening, widely > > > being commented on. It reached critical mass last August, and the > > > only question now is what will constitute "enough" in this new > > > picture that's emerging - will enough people wake up and take enough > > > action to stop the disaster potential reaching critical mass? You're > > > among the awake so please stop thinking pre-six months ago and do > > > just whatever you possibly can to help spread the flames. Time to > > > take heart. > > > > > > By the way, there's not much doubt that the critical head of critical > > > steam was built up despite the mainstream media, and though (always > > > with exceptions) the mainstream media had behaved just as you say > > > they're now being left with little choice but to follow along, they > > > can't help getting sucked in. (I've done that to them before!) So > > > what if they pretend they did it? > > > > > > What if you should treat your voting system the same way? Other than > > > fierce monitoring and reporting, just ignore it and get on with real > > > business. > > > > > >>I hardly ever watch TV news and get my info off the web. > > >>I continuously write my Congress people, 2 Demo senators and a Repug >rep, > > >>and they just ignore my letters or at best I get polite form letters >back. > > >>The Repug rep is such a strong, mindless, Bush backer, it makes me sick. > > >>The > > >>Demos are equally > > >>bad in that they say there's a better way than impeaching Bush/Cheney. I > > >>wish I knew > > >>what that was. Maybe a firing squad? I feel BushCo is out of control but > > >>the > > >>impotent Congress > > >>is afraid, for whatever reason, to take the two idiots on. Yeah, there >are > > >>a > > >>couple exceptions, like > > >>Sen. Feingold and the two Demos that've openly backed him. Kucinich >(Rep, > > >>OH, D) has had Bush's number way > > >>ahead of his colleagues. The polls show Bush and Cheney are way down in > > >>public opinion. Maybe > > >>the two are desperate to do more of their nasty deeds before common >sense > > >>again prevails here. There's no telling > > >>what two thugs like them will do to stay in power. Another 9/11? I would > > >>not > > >>count that out as they > > >>have no morals whatsoever. > > >> > > >> So we have here a number of problems: > > >> > > >>A too trusting people who have been divided by wedge issues > > >>Disinformation on the TV news. 9/11 was our Night of Broken Glass & new > > >>Pearl Harbor > > >>Corporate financed candidates > > >>Hackable voting machines that can swing an election through built-in >"back > > >>doors" in the tabulating PCs. Naturally biased to the Repugs > > >>A weak, corrupt, and divided Congress > > >>An administration that is totally corrupt, ruthless, and corporate > > >>controlled. > > >>An insanely bloated military budget that is way beyond that necessary to > > >>"protect" us. > > > > > > Yea verily. The missing bit, however: > > > > > >> > It's the time of the Other Superpower, and the powers-that-be are > > >> > seeing the signs: > > >> > > > >> > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg58869.html > > >> > [Biofuel] A global public opinion survey shows people losing faith in > > >> > governments > > >> > 16 Dec 2005 > > >> > ... "an alarming picture of declining levels of trust". (Davos) > > >> > > > >> > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg58999.html > > >> > [Biofuel] New Surveys Show That Big Business Has a P.R. Problem > > >> > New York Times, December 9, 2005 > > >> > "More than ever, Americans do not trust business or the people who >run > > >> > it." > > > > > > That was two months ago, lots more noise since then. > > > > > > Put your vote where it hurts - down the toilet. > > > > > > (Is that a good bumper sticker? LOL!) > > > > > >>Pray for World Peace, D. Mindock > > > > > > Indeed, for peace. Eventually, maybe, after much travail. But up till > > > now it's been only a dream, now it could be within reach. > > > > > > These things are useful, IMHO: > > > > > > http://www.classicreader.com/read.php/sid.2/bookid.5/sec.1/ > > > Sun Tzu : On the Art of War > > > > > > http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/taote-v3.html > > > Tao Te Ching > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > >>Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:13 AM > > >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?] > > >> > > >> > > >> > I've been posting stuff on this here for months, so have a few > > >> > others, very few people have taken any notice. > > >> > > > >> > It is utterly unbelievable that Americans, only now so belatedly > > >> > waking up with growing fury at how they were lied to and manipulated > > >> > on the road to the Iraq debacle are actually swallowing the exact > > >> > same set of lies and manipulations in order to do the same or worse > > >> > in Iran. > > >> > > > >> > What the hell is the matter with you people??? What are you going to > > >> > do about it? Vote??? Good God, WAKE UP!!! > > >> > > > >> > Stop it happening! > > >> > > > >> > Now! > > >> > > > >> > Damn, thank heavens for Seymour Hersh. > > >> > > > >> > "Hopefully" you say Mike: > > >> > > > >> >>Let's all pray that reason and sanity prevail once again. > > >> >> > > >> >>Best wishes for world peace, > > >> > > > >> > With all due respect it'll take a little more than hopes prayers and > > >> > wishes. Do it! Put a stop to your mad dogs. > > >> > > > >> > Keith > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>Hakan, > > >> >> > > >> >>Agreed. The sh-t would hit the fan. Hopefully enough reason and >sanity > > >> >>will > > >> >>eventually prevail like it did during the cold war (we survived it > > >> >>somehow). Of > > >> >>course it may have been MAD (a form of insanity called Mutually >Assured > > >> >>Destruction, the idea that no one wins, except by not fighting or > > >> >>starting > > >> >>a > > >> >>nuclear war), that actually saved us during the cold war. > > >> >> > > >> >>What I find to be so ludicrous (silly, ridiculous) is that if IRAN > > >> >>really wanted > > >> >>to Nuke Israel or the USA they would not need a real nuclear weapon, > > >> >>and > > >> >>they > > >> >>would have done it already with a dirty nuclear weapon since they > > >> >>already > > >> >>have > > >> >>nuclear power plants with uranium. > > >> >> > > >> >>I suspect they have not done so, even if they wanted to, because > > >> >>they know if they > > >> >>did the US or Israel would level Iran in retaliation, probably with > > >> >>nukes. > > >> >> > > >> >>The really scary part, I fear, is that even if the US does back > > >> >>down, Israel will > > >> >>still not allow Iran to make nuclear bombs and therefore will not > > >> >>back down. So, > > >> >>anyway you look at it, if Iran does not back off on the nuclear > > >> >>issue we will all > > >> >>be in deep sh-t. > > >> >> > > >> >>What also concerns me is that if the US attacks Iran, North Korea > > >> >>will probably > > >> >>freak out and go nuts since they would believe they were next. I have > > >> >>heard no > > >> >>mention of this yet in the news. > > >> >> > > >> >>Let's all pray that reason and sanity prevail once again. > > >> >> > > >> >>Best wishes for world peace, > > >> >> > > >> >>Mike McGinness > > >> >> > > >> >>Hakan Falk wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > Mike, > > >> >> > > > >> >> > As a foreigner and hearing Bush preparing for attacks on Iran, I > > >> >> > sometimes have a very short moment of wishing him doing it, >because > > >> >> > it would be so stupid and probably finish him. Then I think about >my > > >> >> > American friends with my positive experiences from US and wish > > >> >> > strongly that he would be stopped. If US attack Iran, then we >would > > >> >> > rapidly understand what the expression "the sh-t hits the fan" > > >> >> > means. > > >> >> > The global consequences for US would be enormously negative. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Hakan > > >> >> > > > >> >> > At 06:16 09/04/2006, you wrote: > > >> >> > >Reading the article discussed below is just plain scary as hell. >If > > >> >> > >it's true we > > >> >> > >need to contact our congresspersons and senators and tell them > > >> >>how we feel so > > >> >> > >that they can put a stop to this madness now before it is too >late. > > >> >> > >Since there > > >> >> > >is an election coming up in November, something tells me if > > >> >>they hear from > > >> >> > >enough of us now they will take decisive action. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >Mike McGinness > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >Marty Phee wrote: > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > >> >> > > > Subject: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? > > >> >> > > > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:43:42 -0400 > > >> >> > > > From: David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >> > > > To: ip@v2.listbox.com > > >> >> > > > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > Begin forwarded message: > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > From: Tim Finin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> > > > Date: April 8, 2006 3:40:18 PM EDT > > >> >> > > > To: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> > > > Subject: Is the US preparing to bomb Iran? > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > Seymour Hersh has a 6000 work article in next week's New > > >> >> > > > Yorker on possible plans for a pre-emptive bombing strike > > >> >> > > > against Iran including the use of nuclear weapons. While > > >> >> > > > Hersh has not always been right in his predications, he has a > > >> >> > > > pretty good track record on the whole. It's a good article > > >> >> > > > and also a worrisome one. No matter what you believe of the > > >> >> > > > wisdom of attacking Iran, if we do there are bound to be many > > >> >> > > > more difficulties ahead before things get better. > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > -- > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > THE IRAN PLANS > > >> >> > > > Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the > > >> >> > > > bomb? > > >> >> > > > Seymour M. Hersh, New yorker issue of 2006-04-17, posted > > >> >> > > > 2006-04-10 > > >> >> > > > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > The Bush Administration, while publicly advocating diplomacy > > >> >> > > > in order to stop Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon, has > > >> >> > > > increased clandestine activities inside Iran and intensified > > >> >> > > > planning for a possible major air attack. Current and former > > >> >> > > > American military and intelligence officials said that Air > > >> >> > > > Force planning groups are drawing up lists of targets, and > > >> >> > > > teams of American combat troops have been ordered into Iran, > > >> >> > > > under cover, to collect targeting data and to establish > > >> >> > > > contact with anti-government ethnic-minority groups. The > > >> >> > > > officials say that President Bush is determined to deny the > > >> >> > > > Iranian regime the opportunity to begin a pilot program, > > >> >> > > > planned for this spring, to enrich uranium. > > >> >> > > > ... > > >> >> > > > A government consultant with close ties to the civilian > > >> >> > > > leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was "absolutely > > >> >> > > > convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb" if it is not > > >> >> > > > stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do > > >> >> > > > "what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, > > >> >> > > > would have the courage to do," and "that saving Iran is going > > >> >> > > > to be his legacy." > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive > > >> >> > > > issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military > > >> >> > > > planning was premised on a belief that "a sustained bombing > > >> >> > > > campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and > > >> >> > > > lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government." He > > >> >> > > > added, "I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, 'What > > >> >> > > > are they smoking?'" > > >> >> > > > ... > > >> >> > > > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
