> No, I think this is an excellent case that > proves that if there is no violence or the > threat of violence then nothing gets accomplished.
Ahhhhhhh......, the old "inside every peaceful marcher is a rock-throwing, window-bashing, car-burning, cop-hating anarchist just itching to get out" theory. That's enough chuckles for one night, lest I burst a stitch. > I really think you are trying to paint me a color > I'm not. Well aren't you painting others a color that they aren't, or at least that you don't know they aren't? > I'll get there and have something good to pass onto > my daughter Hopefully you'll be painting a less dark, although realistic, picture for her along the way as well. Todd Swearingen Gary L. Green wrote: >On 15 Apr 2006, at 03:14, Keith Addison wrote: > > > > >>Okay, let's take this recent chunk then, from Peter Solem: >> >> >> >>>Today on the University of California, Santa Cruz campus, an >>>organized group of student protestors succeded in shutting down the >>>campus job fair until the military recruiters were forced to >>>leave! [snip] >>> >>> > > > > >>Please apply your thinking to this case. Was it useless? Was it just >>a riot waiting for an excuse to happen? Was it all a waste of time >>and effort anyway because it didn't make Page 1 in the NYT and FauxTV >>didn't run a special? >> >> > >It did make coverage, at least on the net. If something is seen it >can be a benefit. If it's not seen it can't. I've never said >anything different. > > > >>How many hundreds of similar incidents have happened worldwide this >>week? >> >> > >I don't know. None? I hope more than that. > > > >>But it doesn't matter anyway because they didn't make Page 1 or >>a FauxTV special either so they might as well not have happened for >>all the good they did, right? >> >> > >No Keith, those are your words and your interpretation, not mine. > > > >>Do you agree with all that? You should do, it's what you've been >>saying. Or will you say it's just an exception that proves the rule >>or some such similarly specious nonsense? >> >> > >No, I think this is an excellent case that proves that if there is no >violence or the threat of violence then nothing gets accomplished. > >To read the above account of what happened, you would think they were >all sitting in a circle peacefully singing Kumbaya and We Will >Overcome. Such is not the case. > >Take a look at the pictures on the net. Look at what was really >happening. Look at the ANGRY protesters right in the face of the >recruiter. Look at the signs saying Fuck You, yes those words >exactly. Look at the other negative messages also. Look at the in- >your-face actions of these angry people. People acting in an >aggressive manner. I read a report that stones were thrown after the >recruiters. > >Is this non-violent protest? > >Yes. It is. I'm sure this is just the way it happens many times. > >Please don't read anything that I've said to say that this is bad. >It's not. Protest needs to happen. The recruiters were there to >seduce young people to become cannon fodder for an illegal action >brought on by a fascist US government. > >I just believe that there is what we are told, and then there is the >way things really are. I don't believe the squeaky clean images of >Ghandi, MLK or anyone else. We see the protests, we see the >speeches, we don't see the back room discussions and deal making. > > > > >>Meanwhile you're sitting there in your pontificator's armchair >>suitably buttressed with cushions and comfortable assumptions and >>telling yourself you're part of the solution not the problem eh? >> >> > >Keith, I really think you are trying to paint me a color I'm not. >That comment was a bit mean spirited. > >Am I part of the problem? Yes, in ways I am. I still burn gasoline >in my vehicle. I don't have PV on my house nor do I have wind power >generators. I do vote and I try and make correct choices but what >good does that do I sometimes wonder. A 12 hour work day is the norm >for me, most times longer. My free time is taken up with projects >that I'm doing with other companies. I live in a house that is a >part of a row of houses and there is not much room for planting >things though I'm trying to grow some food rather than all the herbs >my wife and bro in law have got planted. I'm facing resistance. >When I talk about getting a diesel for our next vehicle I meet with >resistance. > >I'd like to build a nice rammed earth / mudbrick/ strawbale earthship >house with PV and wind and everything be recyclable and have it be >it's own little ecosystem and have a positive impact on the planet >but I'm not there yet. I'm still earning my money for retirement and >sending my kid to college. I'm doing it in an economy where the >local currency is not very valuable. I'm planning for the future, >I'm reading all the posts here and I'm gathering info from the >website. I'll get there and have something good to pass onto my >daughter or sell to someone else interested in being clean or cleaner. > >Took me all day to type this between patients. That's all I've got >to say this time. Launch the missiles again. > >Gary > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
