aha, but you see, the USD isnt worth the rag they print it on, so even if it sounds like a lot, its only an ego trip, and when the bubble pops the olio companies are gonna be in a world of hurtin', because WE'LL hold all the cards, and they wont be able to liquidate fast enough. quite frankly i dont feel any sympathy, empathy, or pity for them because they dug their own hole.
----- Original Message ----- From: Luis Eduardo Puerto To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil? Yeah, I agree with you. Although in my country Colombia, there is a blooming industry of ethanol, with participation of obviously the sugar industry behind on one side, and the biodiesel industry on the other that is also staring to emerge. Today at the pump you get ethanol mixed with gasoline, while it will be until 2008 that biodiesel in a 5% blend initially will be found at the diesel pump. Lot of palm oil producers (and croppers) want to develop this, and things are very advanced. I would like to be a part of it, the thing is that they are into building 3 very large plants to run economies of scale which leaves mid and small sized producers out of the game, you know? I am young (24) but I am very aware of the great shift we are living, and I am looking forward into every possible opportunity of energy that can be developed. From wind turbines in Scotland, solar panels in China, ethanol in Brazil, etc. Itwould be nice to be a part of it, leaving Big Oil in a tight situation. the thing is, they have so much cash today (Exxon made 36 billion USD in net profits last year), that they should be able to get into all this new areas - specifically the ones that relate to fossil fuels. Best regards, Luis. Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: Luis, It is only around a year ago, that we established that biofuels would be competitive with an oil price of $35 to $40 a barrel, especially biodiesel. At the current levels over $70 a barrel, biofuels are cheaper than oil. Everybody expect that it will stay on this level and even go higher. The elements are there, for a very rapid growth in making biofuels and with current competitive advantage it will not go slowly. The question is not fuel dominance, but industry dominance. I hope that we will see a far more diversified energy industry as a result of the situation, now that the startup barrier has been lowered so much. A more diversified industry, with small to mid size producers, will have the opportunity to move very fast and the large traditional oil companies can not. The only thing the large industries can do, is to build barriers with help from politicians and with safety concerns as excuse. In an energy crises this will not be successful, because it assumes that they have more time to move. Hakan At 14:44 27/04/2006, you wrote: >I dont know man, but I think they've got a >point. sustainable or not, there are many ways >to slowly shift towrds other fuels until petro dominance fades away. > >The world will go on through this process, >although this doesn't come overnight. With all >due respect to your position, it kinda makes sense. > >Best regards, >Luis. > >Michael Redler escribió: >The great thing about the dialog we are having >is that it is (conceivably) a permanent record >of the times, creating perhaps a smaller task >for revisionist historians in the future. The >Neo-Conservatives of today will be compared >(even more) to the cast of characters in Arthur Miller's "The Crucible". > >Now all we need is for someone to read it in a >hundred years (assuming our species is still around). > >...gotta go. My alien implant is bugging me again. > >Mike > >Hakan Falk wrote: > >LOL! > >US have huge amounts of coal, one third of known world reserves. Now >it is only left to get the Americans to buy diesel vehicles 1% of >current autos, to levels like Europes 50% of current vehicles. So >instead of dependance of foreign oil, US will be dependent of foreign >autos, but it is a large improvement of the situation anyway. Diesel >engines 30% more efficient with smaller autos 50% more efficient and >US will be at the level of Europeans. By the way, where is the >"freedom cars"? On the streets of Europe!!!!! After this, US maybe >even discover biodiesel. > >Hakan > > >At 23:10 25/04/2006, you wrote: > >WE ARE SAVED! WELL EXCEPT FOR THE CARBON THING.......... > > > >http://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech/wtr_16713,296,p1.html > > > >That's sarcasm folks....... > > > >Joe > > > > > > > >Mike Weaver wrote: > >> > >>Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do you > >>feel? *snif* > >> > >>Ok I can't leave well enough alone. A good friend who follows peak oil > >>pretty closely sent me this. I think it's optimistic at best and pretty > >>delusional at worst. How long will it take (and cost) to get all this > >>whiz bang stuff going? There's no doubt in my mind the petro economy > >>is doomed. Now, if we had any sense we'd wean ourselves NOW, while we > >>can, use whatever technology may work to do it and move to the next > >>phase. Even in the best case scenario the price of oil is going to > >>continue to climb and climb. > >> > >>They also make the sweeping statement that "the World is not about to > >>run out of oil". The world WILL NEVER run out of oil. There just WON'T > >>BE ENOUGH for everyone to go as we are. I'm sure there will alwasy be a > >>trickle ot two... > >> > >>Weaver > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Michael Redler wrote: > >> > >> > >>> > >>>Schizophrenic/Procrastinating/Clueless economists: > >>> > >>>They concede to: > >>> > >>>The rising costs of oil exploration > >>>The eminent peak and subsequent end to oil as a main source of fuel > >>>The fact that for every three barrels used there is only one barrel of > >>>newly discovered oil to replenish it. > >>> > >>>At the same time they seem to feel that new technology and techniques > >>>in exploration and the resulting increase in yield allows you to delay > >>>the peak. > >>> > >>>They also make the sweeping statement that "the World is not about to > >>>run out of oil". > >>> > >>>What does "about" mean and when will they have the foresight to see > >>>the value of doing something sooner rather than later? More > >>>importantly, who is "the World" and when are they going to count > >>>countries (i.e. Iraq) who are slowly losing control of their oil. > >>> > >>>What a bunch of crap! > >>> > >>>Weaver!! You couldn't leave well enough alone, could you. > >>> > >>>Mike > >>> > >>> > >>>*/Mike Weaver /* wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6823506 > >>> > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! 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