Mike, Since I think I introduced corporacracy (in greek, corporation power as opposite to democracy that is people power) on this list and think it describes well this phenomena. A logical definition of capitalism is today is better described as corporatism. What I mean is that it could easily replace both communism and capitalism, since it is and has always been a question of which "elite" group that take the power. Interesting that you brought in Stalin in this, maybe he and Bush are only the two sides of the same coin, in representing a relatively small groups interests. Lenin by the way, was heavily supported by the emerging American corporations, who instigated the Russian revolution.
Hakan At 14:25 08/05/2006, you wrote: >Hakan, > >"...so also the fight against an illusive communism." > >"Illusive" is a good word to describe it, although I prefer to call >it non-existant? > >The confrontation was between the US and an expanding fascist empire >in Russia. However, calling it "communist" is as deceptive as the so >called "war on terror", "war on drugs" or "war on...", etc. Either >way, I think we're on the same page and in my opinion, your >observation is an important one. > >"When the Stalinist bureaucracy arose beginning in the early 1920s, >Trotsky, who had been the key organizer of the 1917 insurrection and >who had led the Red Army to victory in the Civil War, became the >champion of the fight against Stalin. Before his death in 1924, >Lenin had begun to challenge the rising bureaucracy, which included >a proposal (suppressed by the central committee after his death) to >remove Stalin from his position as General Secretary of the party." > ><http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-1/543/543_09_Intenationalism.shtml>http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-1/543/543_09_Intenationalism.shtml > > >Mike > >Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >It goes deeper than short memory and only the Bush machine. Bush is >only taking unfair advantages of a much large and loner term effort. >For the Americans the WWII has not yet stopped, so also the fight >against an illusive communism. > >It is a part of the general picture of keeping the Americans happy >in their belive about heroism and the "good purposes", it is a part >of empire building. It is not new, the Greeks and Romans understood >this well, with the gladiator games. They keep us, the public, >entertained and controllable. The motives and the gains are obscure >with smoke screen of higher moral values. > >AH understood this and voiced many times an envy over the American >skills. He built his propaganda apparatus with US as the model, he >was especially impressed by the Hollywood part of it. > >Hakan > > >At 04:54 08/05/2006, you wrote: >> >>I think this poll shows how the short term memory of Americans is >>totally lacking. Also it shows >>how effective the propaganda machine of BushCo is. In a word, terrorfying. >>Peace, D. Mindock P.S. We have met the enemy and he is us. >> >>Poll: Strong U.S. Support for Bombing Iran >> >>An Internet poll sponsored by NewsMax.com reveals that Americans >>are overwhelmingly in favor of the United States undertaking >>military action to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program. >> >>Nearly 60,000 people have taken part in the poll so far, and more >>than nine out of 10 say U.S. efforts to contain Iran's weapons >>program are not working. >> >>A large majority of respondents also believe that Iran poses a >>greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War. >> >>NewsMax will provide the results of this poll to major media and >>share them with radio talk-show hosts across the country. >> >>Here are the poll questions and results: >> >>1) Do you believe U.S. efforts to contain Iran's nuclear weapons >>program are working? >>Working: 7 percent >>Not Working: 93 percent >> >>2) Should the United States rely solely on the U.N. to stop Iran's >>nuclear weapons program? >>Yes: 11 percent >>No: 89 percent >> >>3) Do you believe Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein >>did before the Iraq War? >>Yes: 88 percent >>No: 12 percent >> >>4) Should the U.S. undertake military action against Iran to stop >>their program? >>Yes: 77 percent >>No: 23 percent >> >>5) Who should undertake military action against Iran first? >>U.S.: 45 percent >>Israel: 35 percent >>Neither: 20 percent _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
