I automatically reject anything which
1. appears to violate extremely simple laws of thermodynamics
2. is supported by testimonial, rather than hard data.
3. doesn't currently sell power to the grid with the device, even though claims
are made of power
production.
I guess I just have a lower tolerance for fraud, or at least a higher standard
for proof.
D. Mindock wrote:
> Bob,
> You have your mind set already to reject this. This guy
> is a successful inventor and businessman.
> Did you bother to read the wikipedia reference? I think
> not. You already know it, right? If you did you'd have seen
> that energies are created that are not readily explained. Things
> have changed from the 1970's, new discoveries are being
> made.
sure, but the laws of thermodynamics is not one of those things that have
changed.
toodles.
> Peace, D. Mindock
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
>
>
>> D. Mindock wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>> The inventor was
>>> quite adamant that over unity was being achieved in the early years of
>>> development.
>> overunity implies (to me anyway) that you get more energy out than you put
>> in. If that is the case,
>> why isn't this guy a bazzillionare? why isn't he selling power all over
>> the globe? I'll tell you
>> why, 'cause it ain't so.
>>
>>
>> I think he stopped using this phrase so as not to be seen
>>> as a whacko (all breakthrough inventors are seen as such).
>> no, he stopped using it because he couldn't support the claim with real
>> data.
>>
>>
>> He was getting
>>> a lot of people interested but that was all.
>>> Anyway, some
>>> scientists have found temperatures being generated through cavitation to
>>> be "off the charts". Something strange is going on.
>> I don't see anything strange. I say a lecture on the subject of the use
>> sonoluminesence in the 70's
>> up put energy in, and you get work -light and heat.
>>
>> Everytime there is a
>>> a dramatic change in physics, there are always those that think it is
>>> blasphemy, for awhile. (Cold fusion is still under a dark cloud, but it
>>> refuses
>>> to go away. Wonder why?)
>> because people want to believe that endless energy abounds just around the
>> corner?
>>
>> Then as the science behind it becomes more widely
>>> accepted, there is a rapid change towards acceptance. Sonoluminescence
>>> is such a thing.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminesence
>> yes, but there is nothing magical or which violates any physical laws
>> involved here.
>>
>>> Temperatures of over a million degrees K. have been found inside
>>> collapsing bubbles. Excerpt from wikipedia:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation
>>>
>>> Cavitating water purification devices have also been designed, in which
>>> the
>>> extreme conditions of cavitation can break down pollutants and organic
>>> molecules. Spectral analysis of light emitted in sonochemical reactions
>>> reveal chemical and plasma based mechanisms of energy transfer. The light
>>> emitted from cavitation bubbles is termed sonoluminesence.
>> sonochemistry and sonoluminesence have been around for years, big deal
>>
>>> Peace, D. Mindock P.S. Now the term "bubble fusion" is entering the
>>> lexicon
>>> of physics.
>> along with N-rays, polywater, over-unity devices?
>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:52 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
>>>
>>>
>>>> there is a big difference in the process of heating a liquid via
>>>> ultrasonic energy input (NOTE
>>>> ENERGY INPUT) and claiming to extract energy from nowhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> D. Mindock wrote:
>>>>> Dingel says he wants the money from his inventions to go directly
>>>>> to the people of the Phillipines. If he were a charlatan he would want
>>>>> the money for himself and then disappear with it. IMO, I think he's
>>>>> got something and I hope he finds a foundation, investor, etc., he
>>>>> trusts enough to get his technology tweaked & mass produced. But the
>>>>> chances
>>>>> are slim at best. It is the same with other inventors like him. One
>>>>> exception,
>>>>> (there may be others?) from Rome, Georgia, stopped using the phrase
>>>>> "over
>>>>> unity" and
>>>>> was able to get his product which uses cavitation to heat up
>>>>> water, to market. He's now got a successful business going.
>>>>> But if he were using this to power cars, which he doesn't, I doubt
>>>>> if he would be in business. See: http://www.hydrodynamics.com/
>>>>> Peace, D. Mindock
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "robert luis rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:48 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> miki de mla wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess we just have to see the gadget to believe his claims...
>>>>>> Be skeptical. Eyes can be deceived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> robert luis rabello
>>>>>> "The Edge of Justice"
>>>>>> Adventure for Your Mind
>>>>>> http://www.newadventure.ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ranger Supercharger Project Page
>>>>>> http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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