Oh,
That happened almost 6 years ago right?
Ironic Florida should be one of the first states under water.
Ok thanks,excuse my folly and ignorance, carry on.
Jim
doug swanson wrote:
>The acronym stands for "the end of the world as we know it"
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>doug
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>JJJN wrote:
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>>Excuse me Doug but could you let me know what
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>>TEOTWAWKI
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>>is and what happens when it happens?
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>>I feel perfectly ignorant,
>>
>>Jim
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>>doug swanson wrote:
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>>>I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more
>>>valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health
>>>maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to
>>>get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all
>>>skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of
>>>communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens.
>>>
>>>Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater
>>>currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies
>>>on restaurant "wastes" and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced
>>>hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is
>>>sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been
>>>working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic
>>>collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it
>>>immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of
>>>battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal
>>>when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., )
>>>it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon
>>>drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall...
>>>
>>>I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read
>>>everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas
>>>into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've
>>>got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting,
>>>etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems,
>>>and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving
>>>parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to
>>>build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of
>>>its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the
>>>parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually,
>>>when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step
>>>by step guidance will be under the "open information license" The point
>>>of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff
>>>that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power
>>>generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another
>>>collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat
>>>circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control,
>>>etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator
>>>(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable
>>>without huge expense.
>>>
>>>The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a
>>>hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also,
>>>but first things first...
>>>
>>>Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess
>>>this planet is in, I will do.
>>>
>>>doug swanson
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>>>
>>>Jason& Katie wrote:
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>>>>you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel, i
>>>>can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house,
>>>>furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty well
>>>>safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life
>>>>(CEO's
>>>>and politicians) that are screwed.
>>>>Jason
>>>>ICQ#: 154998177
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>>>>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>>>Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US "could be going bankrupt"
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>>>>>Um, it's not really "they" it's "us" too...
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>>>>>Jason& Katie wrote:
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>>>>>>good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then
>>>>>>piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or
>>>>>>3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jason
>>>>>>ICQ#: 154998177
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>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> *From:* Kirk McLoren <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> *To:* biofuel <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2006 6:04 PM
>>>>>> *Subject:* [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US "could be going
>>>>>> bankrupt"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> US 'could be going bankrupt'
>>>>>> By Edmund Conway, Economics Editor
>>>>>> (Filed: 14/07/2006)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The United States is heading for bankruptcy, according to an
>>>>>> extraordinary paper published by one of the key members of the
>>>>>> country's central bank.
>>>>>> A ballooning budget deficit and a pensions and welfare timebomb
>>>>>> could send! the economic superpower into insolvency, according to
>>>>>> research by Professor Laurence Kotlikoff for the Federal Reserve
>>>>>> Bank of St Louis, a leading constituent of the US Federal Reserve.
>>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said that, by some measures, the US is already
>>>>>> bankrupt. "To paraphrase the Oxford English Dictionary, is the
>>>>>> United States at the end of its resources, exhausted, stripped
>>>>>> bare, destitute, bereft, wanting in property, or wrecked in
>>>>>> consequence of failure to pay its creditors," he asked.
>>>>>> According to his central analysis, "the US government is, indeed,
>>>>>> bankrupt, insofar as it will be unable to pay its creditors, who,
>>>>>> in this context, are current and future generations to whom it has
>>>>>> explicitly or implicitly promised future net payments of various
>>>>>> kinds''.
>>>>>> The budget deficit in the US is not massive. The Bush
>>>>>> administration this week cut its forecasts for the fiscal
>>>>>> shortfall this year by almost a third, saying it will come in at
>>>>>> 2.3pc of gross domestic product. This is smaller than most
>>>>>> European countries - including the UK - which have deficits north
>>>>>> of 3pc of GDP.
>>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff, who teaches at Boston University, says: "The
>>>>>> proper way to consider a country's solvency is to examine the
>>>>>> lifetime fiscal burdens facing current and future generations. If
>>>>>> these burdens exceed the resources of those generations, get close
>>>>>> to doing so, or simply get so high as to preclude their full
>>>>>> collection, the country's policy will be unsustainable and can
>>>>>> constitute or lead to national bankruptcy.
>>>>>> "Does the United States fit this bill? No one knows for sure, but
>>>>>> there are strong reasons to believe the United States may be going
>>>>>> broke."
>>>>>> Experts have calculated that the country's long-term "fiscal gap"
>>>>>> between all future government spending and all future receipts
>>>>>> will widen immensely as the Baby Boomer generation retires, and as
>>>>>> the amount the state will have to spend on healthcare and pensions
>>>>>> soars. The total fiscal gap could be an almost incomprehensible
>>>>>> $65.9 trillion, according to a study by Professors Gokhale and
>>>>>> Smetters.
>>>>>> The figure is massive because President George W Bush has made
>>>>>> major tax cuts in recent years, and because the bill for Medicare,
>>>>>> which provides health insurance for the elderly, and Medicaid,
>>>>>> which does likewise for the poor, will increase greatly due to
>>>>>> demographics.
>>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said: "This figure is more than five times US GDP
>>>>>> and almost twice the size of national wealth. One way to wrap
>>>>>> one's head around $65.9trillion is to ask what fiscal adjustments
>>>>>> are needed to eliminate this red hole. The answers are terrifying.
>>>>>> One solution is an immediate and permanent doubling of personal
>>>>>> and corporate income taxes. Another is an immediate and permanent
>>>>>> two-thirds cut in Social Security and Medicare benefits. A third
>>>>>> alternative, were it feasible, would be to immediately and
>>>>>> permanently cut all federal discretionary spending by 143pc."
>>>>>> The scenario has serious implications for the dollar. If investors
>>>>>> lose confidence in the US's future, and suspect the country may at
>>>>>> some point allow inflation to erode away its debts, they may
>>>>>> reduce their holdings of US Treasury bonds.
>>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said: "The United States has experienced high rates
>>>>>> of inflation in the past and appears to be running the same type
>>>>>> of fiscal policies that engendered hyperinflations in 20 countries
>>>>>> over the past century."
>>>>>> Paul Ashworth, of Capital Economics, was more sanguine about the
>>>>>> coming retirement of the Baby Boomer generation. "For a start, the
>>>>>> expected deterioration in the Federal budget owes more to rising
>>>>>> per capita spending on health care than to changing demographics,"
>>>>>> he said.
>>>>>> "This can be contained if the political will is there. Similarly,
>>>>>> the expected increase in social security spending can be
>>>>>> controlled by reducing the growth rate of benefits. Expecting a
>>>>>> fix now is probably asking too much of short-sighted politicians
>>>>>> who have no incentives to do so. But a fix, or at least a
>>>>>> succession of patches, will come when the problem becomes more
>>>>>> pressing."
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