Jason!
I'm not fat.
-Weaver
Jason& Katie wrote:
>the truest and best answer to any TEOTWAWKI situation in america is to start
>farms that grow fruits, wildgrasses, vegetables, oil crops, sugar crops,
>meat animals, and trees...oh wait WE CANT, that takes work and most fat lazy
>americans wont want to be inconvenienced by some dirty work. (this is
>assuming america sticks its nose ito something that gets us our neck
>snapped, and considering our track record of late i wouldnt be surprised.)
>Jason
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "doug swanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:14 PM
>Subject: [Biofuel] Home energy system ...was Re: {Disarmed} Telegraph - US
>"could be going bankrupt"
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>>I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more
>>valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health
>>maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to
>>get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all
>>skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of
>>communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens.
>>
>>Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater
>>currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies
>>on restaurant "wastes" and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced
>>hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is
>>sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been
>>working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic
>>collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it
>>immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of
>>battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal
>>when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., )
>>it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon
>>drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall...
>>
>>I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read
>>everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas
>>into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've
>>got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting,
>>etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems,
>>and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving
>>parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to
>>build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of
>>its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the
>>parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually,
>>when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step
>>by step guidance will be under the "open information license" The point
>>of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff
>>that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power
>>generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another
>>collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat
>>circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control,
>>etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator
>>(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable
>>without huge expense.
>>
>>The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a
>>hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also,
>>but first things first...
>>
>>Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess
>>this planet is in, I will do.
>>
>>doug swanson
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>>Jason& Katie wrote:
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>>>you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel,
>>>i
>>>can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house,
>>>furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty
>>>well
>>>safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life
>>>(CEO's
>>>and politicians) that are screwed.
>>>Jason
>>>ICQ#: 154998177
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>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US "could be going bankrupt"
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>>>>Um, it's not really "they" it's "us" too...
>>>>
>>>>Jason& Katie wrote:
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>>>>>good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then
>>>>>piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or
>>>>>3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Jason
>>>>>ICQ#: 154998177
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>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> *From:* Kirk McLoren <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> *To:* biofuel <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2006 6:04 PM
>>>>> *Subject:* [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US "could be going
>>>>> bankrupt"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml
>>>>>
>>>>> US 'could be going bankrupt'
>>>>> By Edmund Conway, Economics Editor
>>>>> (Filed: 14/07/2006)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The United States is heading for bankruptcy, according to an
>>>>> extraordinary paper published by one of the key members of the
>>>>> country's central bank.
>>>>> A ballooning budget deficit and a pensions and welfare timebomb
>>>>> could send! the economic superpower into insolvency, according to
>>>>> research by Professor Laurence Kotlikoff for the Federal Reserve
>>>>> Bank of St Louis, a leading constituent of the US Federal Reserve.
>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said that, by some measures, the US is already
>>>>> bankrupt. "To paraphrase the Oxford English Dictionary, is the
>>>>> United States at the end of its resources, exhausted, stripped
>>>>> bare, destitute, bereft, wanting in property, or wrecked in
>>>>> consequence of failure to pay its creditors," he asked.
>>>>> According to his central analysis, "the US government is, indeed,
>>>>> bankrupt, insofar as it will be unable to pay its creditors, who,
>>>>> in this context, are current and future generations to whom it has
>>>>> explicitly or implicitly promised future net payments of various
>>>>> kinds''.
>>>>> The budget deficit in the US is not massive. The Bush
>>>>> administration this week cut its forecasts for the fiscal
>>>>> shortfall this year by almost a third, saying it will come in at
>>>>> 2.3pc of gross domestic product. This is smaller than most
>>>>> European countries - including the UK - which have deficits north
>>>>> of 3pc of GDP.
>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff, who teaches at Boston University, says: "The
>>>>> proper way to consider a country's solvency is to examine the
>>>>> lifetime fiscal burdens facing current and future generations. If
>>>>> these burdens exceed the resources of those generations, get close
>>>>> to doing so, or simply get so high as to preclude their full
>>>>> collection, the country's policy will be unsustainable and can
>>>>> constitute or lead to national bankruptcy.
>>>>> "Does the United States fit this bill? No one knows for sure, but
>>>>> there are strong reasons to believe the United States may be going
>>>>> broke."
>>>>> Experts have calculated that the country's long-term "fiscal gap"
>>>>> between all future government spending and all future receipts
>>>>> will widen immensely as the Baby Boomer generation retires, and as
>>>>> the amount the state will have to spend on healthcare and pensions
>>>>> soars. The total fiscal gap could be an almost incomprehensible
>>>>> $65.9 trillion, according to a study by Professors Gokhale and
>>>>> Smetters.
>>>>> The figure is massive because President George W Bush has made
>>>>> major tax cuts in recent years, and because the bill for Medicare,
>>>>> which provides health insurance for the elderly, and Medicaid,
>>>>> which does likewise for the poor, will increase greatly due to
>>>>> demographics.
>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said: "This figure is more than five times US GDP
>>>>> and almost twice the size of national wealth. One way to wrap
>>>>> one's head around $65.9trillion is to ask what fiscal adjustments
>>>>> are needed to eliminate this red hole. The answers are terrifying.
>>>>> One solution is an immediate and permanent doubling of personal
>>>>> and corporate income taxes. Another is an immediate and permanent
>>>>> two-thirds cut in Social Security and Medicare benefits. A third
>>>>> alternative, were it feasible, would be to immediately and
>>>>> permanently cut all federal discretionary spending by 143pc."
>>>>> The scenario has serious implications for the dollar. If investors
>>>>> lose confidence in the US's future, and suspect the country may at
>>>>> some point allow inflation to erode away its debts, they may
>>>>> reduce their holdings of US Treasury bonds.
>>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said: "The United States has experienced high rates
>>>>> of inflation in the past and appears to be running the same type
>>>>> of fiscal policies that engendered hyperinflations in 20 countries
>>>>> over the past century."
>>>>> Paul Ashworth, of Capital Economics, was more sanguine about the
>>>>> coming retirement of the Baby Boomer generation. "For a start, the
>>>>> expected deterioration in the Federal budget owes more to rising
>>>>> per capita spending on health care than to changing demographics,"
>>>>> he said.
>>>>> "This can be contained if the political will is there. Similarly,
>>>>> the expected increase in social security spending can be
>>>>> controlled by reducing the growth rate of benefits. Expecting a
>>>>> fix now is probably asking too much of short-sighted politicians
>>>>> who have no incentives to do so. But a fix, or at least a
>>>>> succession of patches, will come when the problem becomes more
>>>>> pressing."
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