Fritz, 1. No, I said it was then called British Palestine. 2. It was then ruled by the British as part of the British Empire. But, than does not make it British. The people living there were primarily Muslim Arabs, a few Christians and, surprisingly, some Jewish people. 3. I am not saying things are not hard for Palestinians under the Israeli government, not to mention the PA is likely the most corrupt government in the world. 4. I am also not saying I approve of everything the Israeli Gov't does. 5. I also never said I approve of the way Israel is handling the current situation. 6. My being an American does not impair my thinking; ad hominem attacks usually indicate that you are out of intellectual ammo. 7. My point with the land is that most of us in North America are arguably living on land that was home to Native Americans. I'm fairly sure my huse is on land once occupied by the Algonkian nation. If you are in Quebec, you are probably living on Abenaki land. 8. I offer no defense of US mining companies. Most of what they do is indefensible. 9. I am saying I think blowing each other to bits won't solve anything.
Nowhere in my post do I say I defend what is going on in Palestine and Israel. I did say I think it was a mistake to drop all the Jewish refugees into that area. But, no one else wanted them. I personally think the US should have taken them in. I am not quite sure what you mean by your last sentance. -Mike Fritz Friesinger wrote: > Mike, > what you are saying is,Palestine was British then? so how it became > British?and thas this make the whole thing less hard for the Palestinians? > What happened a hundred years ago should not happening anymore today! > We came a long way to realize the wrongs of the past but instaed of > garding that those attrocytis cant be repeatet we are turning a blind > eye and excuse things with old rethoric.Your analysis sucks but then > you are US Citicen and what can we expect from such! > To my very own situation,i live in Quebec Canada on a piece of Land (a > former open pit Graphit mine) nobody wantet so i got it fairly > cheep.But then i am cleaning up the mess a US Mining companie had left > and this for seven years now! > i have put trouts in my lakes and had spent a lot of money for topsoil > and plant trees and garden!And once i be finished (probably never) > people will come and ask if the could live on my land and i will > refuse the request if the show me the same attitude as you > Fritz > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mike Weaver <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:18 AM > *Subject:* [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest > > I can't say I am always a fan of the Israeli government right or > wrong, > and let's be honest, they've made some mistakes (but then look at > the US > gov't), but they are > in an impossible spot. Do they need some nudging to do they right > thing? Yes, but we all do. > > Let's stop and think, "Why are they where they are? - Because NO > Western country would take then. Roosevelt turned away of boatload of > Jewish refugees. They really didn't have a lot of options. In > Poland, > TWO YEARS after WWII ended, there was a massacre of Jews. I can > understand why one might gamble on a boat trip to (then) British > Palestine rather than go "home" to Europe. > > Personally, I think the whole idea was ill-conceived, and US > should have > settled the refugees in the largely unocupied American West. Heck, a > state even. > > Besides, I think if you wait long enough, Fritz, you'll see the same > behavior here anyway. We're already denying blacks the right to > vote in > some states, and it's pretty much illegal to be black in a white area > after dark already. > > >>Step one is to confiscate the land owned by > African-Americans, [or Native Americans] evict them from it and > use the land > to build massive new subdivisions. Only white > Protestant Christians may live in these subdivisions. - Check, doing > that here. > > I notice you're in Canada - do you live in a house? Where did the > land > come from? A friendly Algonkin > <http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/algonquian/algonhist1.htm> > > give it to you? I notice the Canadia Government has been > having a little trouble with its First Nation denizens - a few Mohawk > lawsuits here and there. > > "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged. > > <http://bible.cc/matthew/7-2.htm>For > <http://bible.cc/matthew/7-2.htm%3EFor> with whatever judgment you > judge, > you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be > measured to you. > > ^3 <http://bible.cc/matthew/7-3.htm> Why do you see the speck that > is in > your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your > own eye? > > Or, let he who is free from sin cast the first stone. > > -Mike > > > Fritz Friesinger wrote: > > > Bob, > > i bett you havent wread the report of www.btselem.org > <http://www.btselem.org> > > <http://www.btselem.org> > > you would not talk such rhubbish! > > Fritz > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Bob Molloy <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:52 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs > > > > Yo Fritz, > > Yeah, right on Fritz. And just to prove it your ethnic forebears > > killed off six million of these bloody Jews only to have the > rest > > of us dumb westerners stop them just before they'd finished the > > job. Now it's up to the poor Palestinians with only suicide > > bombers and Katushya rockets to carry on where the rest of > us left > > off. We need to force the Israelis to open these roads, tear > down > > their walls and move back onto their own territory so that the > > bombers in civilian clothing have a fighting chance to get > closer > > to Israeli settlements. At least let's have a level playing > field > > here. After it's all over and the Palestinians have finally > > established their Muslim state we can allow a few Israeli > refugees > > into western countries just as long as they toe the line and run > > the garbage collection systems for us. > > Good one, Fritz, > > Bob. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Fritz Friesinger > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:33 AM > > *Subject:* [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs > > > > Forewardet by Fritz > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Check Your Beliefs > > > > By Charley Reese > > > > 03/17/06 -- -- Let's play a fantasy game to check on > > our belief in human rights. Let's suppose that in a > > mythical state, a governor announced a campaign to > > punish African-Americans for alleged violence. > > > > Step one is to confiscate the land owned by > > African-Americans, evict them from it and use the land > > to build massive new subdivisions. Only white > > Protestant Christians may live in these subdivisions. > > > > Step two is to connect these all-white Protestant > > Christian settlements to each other by a highway on > > which African-Americans are forbidden to drive. To > > facilitate control, the automobile tags for > > African-Americans will be a different color from the > > tags issued to white motorists. Checkpoints would be > > set up all around the state capitol to search and > > harass African-Americans trying to enter. > > > > Would you support such a plan? Would you hail that > > mythical governor as a man of peace? Would you go to > > your church congregation and ask the members to send > > money to the occupants of these white settlements? > > Would you lobby the federal government to subsidize > > this new apartheid state in our midst? > > > > I don't think so. I think most Americans would > > consider such acts an abomination, un-American and a > > mockery of everything both Christianity and the United > > States stand for. > > > > Well, if you would condemn such acts here directed > > against African-Americans, why won't you condemn > > identical acts committed against the Palestinians by > > the state of Israel? > > > > Those settlements you hear about are built on > > Palestinian land, and they are for Jews only. New > > roads that Palestinians are forbidden to use connect > > them. The entire West Bank is riddled with Israeli > > checkpoints, where innocent Palestinians are daily > > humiliated and harassed. A trip to a nearby village > > can mean waiting in line at checkpoints for hours. > > Palestinians have died in these lines. > > > > After all of these humiliations, abuses, the houses > > destroyed, the children killed, the olive trees > > uprooted, how do you think Palestinians feel about > > Americans who support the Israelis no matter what they > > do to the Palestinians? Don't take my word about these > > abuses. Check out the Israeli human-rights > > organization at www.btselem.org/English > <http://www.btselem.org/English> > > <http://www.btselem.org/English>. > > > > If you cannot condemn the flagrant abuses of > > Palestinians by the Israeli government, then you are > > undoubtedly a bigot, the worst kind of racist pig who > > believes that Palestinians are some kind of subspecies > > of the human race. If you do condemn in your heart > > these terrible abuses, but are afraid to speak out > > about them, then you are a damned coward. > > > > I listened in disgust to a congressional committee > > hearing on the Palestinian elections. It was all about > > what the Palestinians have to do. It was as if the > > cops, interviewing a child who had been raped by an > > adult, lectured the child on dressing provocatively > > and of being in places she should not have been in. > > > > The Palestinians are the victims here. It is their > > land that is occupied. They have no army. They are at > > the mercy of the Israeli government. They don't have a > > superpower protecting them from international > > sanctions and supplying them with billions of dollars. > > The United States should be telling Israel to get out > > of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, to dismantle its > > settlements and checkpoints, and to allow Palestinian > > refugees to return to or be compensated for the land > > the Israelis stole. > > > > You want to know why we have a problem with terrorism? > > It's not Islamic fundamentalists or hatred of freedom. > > It's our support of Israel's unspeakable abuse of > > Palestinians. Don't blame Osama bin Laden. Blame the > > president, Congress, the American Israel Public > > Affairs Committee and all the cowardly Americans who > > practice hypocrisy by claiming to be moral while > > supporting gross immorality committed against their > > fellow human beings in Palestine. > > > > © 2006 by King Features Syndicate, Inc. > > > > > > > > > > "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its > > ground." > > > > - Anonymous > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives > > (50,000 messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives > (50,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives > (50,000 messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
