Hi Bob; Yes that was my thinking. What about using them as an additive to modify B100??
Joe bob allen wrote: > citrus oil is essentially a mixture of hydrocarbons, not lipids so it > couldn't be converted to methyl esters like biodiesel. That doesn't > mean however that it couldn't be blended with bio or dino diesel and > be successfully exploited as a fuel. > > > Joe Street wrote: > >>Very funny Tom! Designer exhausts! You should patent that idea. Recently >>I was wondering if I could make biofuel out of citrus oil and go off >>smelling like an orage blossom. LOL. >> >>But seriously ( actually I am seriously curious about citrus oil) now >>when it comes to the pour point some of these aromatic oils may make a >>low temperature fuel. ?? I have been talking to a farmer who runs an >>organic dairy farm and he is growing a crop of winter rape this fall. He >>claims you can mix the SVO with winter diesel and don't need to trans >>esterify. I am skeptical of course. I have very little info on the >>winter canola. Do you or does anyone on the list have experience with it? >> >>Joe >> >>Thomas Kelly wrote: >> >> >>>Luke, >>> "So chicken fat it is." Maybe. >>> >>> Did you use bottom heat? as in a pot on the stove? >>>If so, did it crackle a bit? Any water on the bottom? >>> If you used a submersible heater, did bubbles form around the heating >>>element? >>> >>> The white stuff , "about 5%", might be water. >>> >>> I use 100% BD in my car until night temps get down around freezing (32F >>>/~2C). I then go to a 70% BD : 30% winterized petro diesel blend. 32F is a >>>good deal below the cloud point of my BD. (You can check your BD by putting >>>it in the fridge, check occassionally, read temp when it starts to cloud.) I >>>drive an '82 Mercedes 300SD. I think it would pump jello. >>> Last year I "winterized" my BD as described at JTF. >>>This year I have separated WVO with the lowest cloud point from WVO that >>>clouds at high temps. When the temps go down, the stuff that clouds easily >>>becomes heating fuel for my house ... tank in basement, the other stuff >>>becomes BD for my car ... outside in the cold. >>> I actually like BD made from the WVO w. chicken fat. The car exhaust >>>smells more like a barbeque than like french fries. My next 20 gal (76L) >>>batch will have about 5 gal of bacon grease .... solid, had to melt it. >>>It'll go in the car. I sometimes go fishing w a friend early in the morning. >>>He has requested bacon and egg exhaust. Maybe this next batch will fit the >>>bill. >>> Good luck w the WVO >>> By the way, what do you get for a titration on it? >>> >>> Tom >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "WM LUKE MATHISEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>>Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:43 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Tom, >>>> >>>>I heated to 170f as you suggested. It became transluent and then >>>>congelled >>>>again, this time in three layers, a bottom layer (about 5%) that looks >>>>like >>>>black solids, then a layer of something white (also about 5%) and the rest >>>>brown goo. But it looks like no water. So chicken fat it is. Any point >>>>in >>>>processing it seperately? Except to save the good stuff for winter use? >>>>At >>>>what outside temp do I need to be conserned about BD 100 gelling? >>>> >>>>Oh, and any idea what the white layer is? >>>> >>>>Thanks for your help. >>>>:-) >>>>Luke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Thomas Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>>>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO >>>>>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:50:56 -0400 >>>>> >>>>>Luke, >>>>> If your WVO was used to cook meat such as chicken, you will have >>>>>some >>>>>animal fat which may be causing the middle layer. It will still make >>>>>excellent warm weather fuel. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, it might be water. >>>>> >>>>> Heat a small sample to get the water to drop out. Take some of the >>>>>dried >>>>>WVO and let it cool. If it remains clear, you had water. If it clouds upon >>>>>cooling it probably contains animal fat. >>>>> Tom >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "WM LUKE MATHISEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:56 AM >>>>>Subject: [Biofuel] WVO >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The waste veg oil (wvo)I collect has three different layers after it >>>>>>settles. A clear (translucent) layer on top and a brown >>>>>>non-translucent >>>>>>layer - that doesn't want to filter - in the middle and then black >>>>> >>>>>solids >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>on >>>>>>the bottom. My question is the middle brown layer. It seems - and I >>>>>>havent >>>>>>run enough batches to be sure - that the middle layer has water in it. >>>>> >>>>>Is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>it worth the energy - propane - to process it when you have to boil off >>>>>>the >>>>>>water? >>>>>> >>>>>>:-) >>>>>>Luke >>>>>> >>>>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>Don't just search. Find. 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