Hi Hakan...thanks for this
additional info. A little bit of facetiousness in my last post...actually
a lot of disappointment become sarcasm, which you are helping to
rebalance. Jan's post sounded to me like things in Sweden weren't really
as rosy as Logano's post might have suggested. I'm really hoping enough of
the planet's population can keep it together while the USA goes down the tubes,
so I was really disappointed by Jan's post. Somehow, however, I guess I
really have lost hope in a meaningful turnaround, whatever that might be,
especially with China and India coming online in a huge way. So I keep my
eye on that cedar bush I see growing up through the asphalt and trust in
something much bigger than "America" or "Russia" or even "Sweden."
Nonetheless, it's always refreshing to hear of someone doing anything that
looks at our demise in the eye and takes another step. Mike
DuPree
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sweden how they do it
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> If you look at the private transportation sector
> in Sweden, Jan is describing fairly correct the
> situation. This sector is heavily influenced by
> foreign companies, after the auto industry has
> been taken over by them and the export situation.
> An other sector that is the same or bigger size
> in a country like Sweden, is the energy use in
> buildings and Sweden is leading in this sector.
> On average a Swedish building uses 1/3 of an US
> and 1/4 of a Canadian, after climate corrections.
> The good thing is that this cannot be overthrown
> and it is nailed down in the building standard of
> 1978, which we were involved in.
>
> For the truck and buses, the situation is also
> more positive, than the private transportation.
> The Swedish truck and bus industry is known for
> its good over all fuel economy , cleanliness and
> reliability. I think that Jan is right, when he
> talk about private autos, but this is also
> dependent on that Sweden had to accept imports on
> this side. If Sweden set too stringent rules for
> private autos, it would be severe trade
> consequences. That truck and buses can excel, is
> mainly because Sweden is a leading manufacturer
> with large export and that it is driven by economics.
>
> Since I have been involved in building Forsmark I
> and II, I can say that, at this time Sweden was
> also far ahead in design and security demands of
> nuclear power. There are no single shielded power
> stations, as in many other parts of the world,
> and the design criteria was the hardest in the
> world. At the time ASEA (later ABB) had a very
> interesting low temperature neighborhood reactor,
> designed and ready to build, but the referendum
> stopped this development. Others are now working
> on similar designs and it is a very low risk
> reactor, compared to todays reactors. Knowing the
> design criteria and maintenance demands, Sweden
> would not be any of the first countries that
> worries me. I have much higher concerns about the
> former Soviet Union and US. Unfortunately, a
> major nuclear accident almost always goes global
> and can effect the whole world, that is why I am
> very worried about the situation on the general state of nuclear power.
>
> Hakan
>
>
> At 19:05 13/08/2006, you wrote:
>>Hi Jan (and List)...it's really great getting
>>info from the horse's mouth...good to know
>>Americans aren't the only fatheads on the planet
>>as so many on this List like to continually proclaim. -- Mike DuPree
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Jan Warnqvist
>>To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:55 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sweden how they do it
>>
>>Hello Lugano et al.
>>As a Swedish native I can provide a more
>>detailed and personal picture of the
>>possibilities of oil independence of this country. There are a number of
>>buts:
>>- The power companies are not allowed to
>>increase the share of electricity coming from
>>hydropower sources, because there is
>>environmental, nature-protecting legislation.
>>So, in order to become more independent of oil,
>>we just have to trust that the 11 nuclear power
>>plants running, will keep on to do so without
>>serious accidents or other side effects.
>>- Biodiesel has never been a popular product
>>within any administration in this country. This
>>is probably because biodiesel production can be
>>performed in small scale. The administrative
>>favourite product, ethanol, is a typical large
>>scale product, which complies more with the
>>industrial traditions of this country. One can
>>even suspect that there is an attitude
>>proclaiming that it is bad enough letting the
>>farmers be in control of the food production.
>>Things would get even worse if the farmers were
>>in control of the energy production as well.
>>- The petroleum supplies to this country have
>>mainly been coming from the North Sea for a
>>number of decades now, provided nominally by
>>Norwegian and British companies. But the
>>northernAtlantic production has already passed
>>its peak, making changes necessary in order not
>>to be totally depending upon oil from Russia and
>>the middle east, which can be considered as a too adventurous project.
>>- The result of next election can very well
>>over-throw the ambition of oil independence,
>>since the right-liberal-centre coalition aiming
>>for office, doesn´t have this target on the agenda.
>>- The automotive industry, not only the Swedish,
>>has to acknowledge and accept the goal. So far
>>nothing along this line has been proclaimed from
>>the industry. In such a small export-depending
>>country as Sweden, the automotive industry is
>>very power-ful, and used to having its way.
>>Jan Warnqvist
>>+ 46 554 201 89
>>+46 70 499 38 45
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Lugano Wilson
>>To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:52 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sweden how they do it
>>
>>Yes,
>>
>>Sweden is well commited to renewabel energy as
>>part of energy security and environmental
>>considerations. it is projected that in 2010
>>about 51% of of its electricity will be produced
>>from renewable sources. this is supported by
>>existing huge hydropower sources and strong
>>commitment to bioenergy. renewable electricity
>>like bioenergy, wind, solar, etc. are currently
>>growing in sharing the supply scheme due to
>>existing legislation on certification scheme.
>>
>>further to this, the transport sector has been
>>targetted for increased efficiency and
>>utilization of renewable energy like ethanol and
>>biodiesel through taxation that based on annual
>>vehicle pollution (emitted CO2) and not the
>>conventional taxation that based on either weight, size, utilization, etc.
>>
>>the whole of this development is guided by
>>strong policies that are spearheading research, development and
>>utilization.
>>
>>follow the following links for:
>>
>>1: electricity for renewable sources
>><http://ec.europa.eu/energy/res/publications/index_en.htm>http://ec.europa.eu/energy/res/publications/index_en.htm
>>
>>
>>2: green vehicles
>><http://www.gronabilister.se/public/dokument.php?art=272>http://www.gronabilister.se/public/dokument.php?art=272
>>
>>
>>have a nice week end.
>>
>>Lugano
>>
>>Mark` Cookson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>Hellow every one I was listening to the radio this afternoon here int the
>>UK
>>and a programme come on called Costing the Earth. Its subject was how
>>Sweden
>>are changing away from fossil fuels.
>>I found it very interesting as you may.
>>
>>Follow the link here then go down the left of the page to [Listen to the
>>latest programme link] hey presto!!!
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/costingtheearth.shtml
>>
>>Good luck
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>
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