No roads. They knew of the wheel. I saw a toy in a museum. The romans impressed locals to carry their goods. A Roman soldier could impress a freeman for 3 miles. Then he had to switch. Not much wheels in that.
IC engines require a steel industry and China was constrained for hundreds of years by a ruling class that hammered down every nail that had the brass to stand up and do without official permission. Only the ruling class had anything and they are universally piggish and uninventive east or west.
The Arabs were our bootstrap out of the dark ages. Our ruling class was worse than Chinas- thought police of the one true faith. Only the ruling families and priesthood could read or write.
It all broke free with the crumbling of the institutions. We then went east and broke their institutions. Now we have a scientific priesthood that is running amuk with gene splicing and nucler
materials. At least we are destroying our Sarin stockpile.
But we are silly creatures afraid of the dark and jealous of our brother.
Not so grandiose as we would have believed.
Kirk
Martin Kemple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Question:
Why didn't most Native Americans, for example, master the wheel for
transportation on their own?
Why didn't the Chinese, for starters, invent internal combustion much
earlier than the opportunists who did?
And why didn't the Arabs, for instance, harness electricity much sooner
than the nitwits who stumbled onto it?
In other words: Why did it all take so dang long, and then all happen
seemingly at once?
-Martin K.
On Aug 21, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> Political correctness is part of it I think.
> Tesla was a maverick and Edison a mainstream guy.
> When JP Morgan realized what Tesla was up to with his global wireless
> power scheme he pulled the rug out from under Tesla. Even though Tesla
> invented the induction motor he died poor and alone. I think another
> factor is are they foreign. Perhaps Bose ran afoul of that one. We
> used to make fun of the Russians because any invention of worth was
> credited to a Russian. I suspect we do the same thing. It is not
> apparent to someone within the culture as you hear no conflicting
> argument.
> I remember reading a citation once about a paper on the theory of
> relativity. It was published by an Italian 2 years prior to Einsten
> (yes he was an immigrant - but- he was here). And as an amateur
> historian I know revisionism extends back through prehistory. Old
> anthro books have some fascinating archeology skipped by modern books.
> The giants excavated from the Ohio River mounds for example. Hundreds
> of skeletons shipped to the Smithsonian to disappear. Shades of
> Indiana Jones.
>
> I remember Bose by the way and saw photos of some of his apparatus. An
> original thinker. Brilliant person.
>
> Kirk
>
> Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>> Yes and Jagadis Chandra Bose was experimenting with milimeter waves (
>> 60 GHZ radio waves) back in the 1890's before Marconi and Otto
>> Lilienthal was flying under control hundreds of times in the 1890's
>> before the Wright Brothers......but history remembers only certain
>> ones eh? What's up with that?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Michael Redler wrote:
>>> "Tesla invented the modern world far more than Edison or
>>> Westinghouse or Marconi."
>>>
>>> Damn! I didn't even know the modern world was invented.
>>>
>>> - Redler (average person)
>>>
>>>
>>> Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>> I am not a fan of that Ramtha person. She is quite egotistical.
>>>> But I would not dismiss the whole film out of hand. Some
>>>> interesting comments were made that are valid.
>>>> Remember these people tried to explain the "unexplainable" at least
>>>> using the frame of reference of the man in the street.
>>>> Try explaining the federal reserve to the average person. They may
>>>> surprise you with the difficulty they have with some far simpler
>>>> concepts than what "bleep" was trying to address.
>>>> As for Ramtha remember people dont want magic, they demand it.
>>>> A successful club owner told me that. I think he is correct.
>>>> Modern science is full of showmanship and misrepresentation as well.
>>>> Edison gets credit for Tesla's work and so on. Tesla invented the
>>>> modern world far more than Edison or Westinghouse or Marconi. What
>>>> does the average person know though?
>>>> We arent a tenth as clever as we think we are.
>>>>
>>>> Kirk
>>>>
>>>> Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>>> Here is a link to an entry in the skeptic's dictionary about the
>>>>> producer of that movie. Have a read and do a check on the
>>>>> 'experts' that appeared in that movie to see what their peers have
>>>>> to say about them if you want to have a good laugh.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://skepdic.com/channel.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Too funny!
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> M&K DuPree wrote:
>>>>>> Hi D...thank you. Say, thank you too for alerting me way back
>>>>>> when to the video What the Bleep Do We Know? Outstanding. Will
>>>>>> be watching again. Mike
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: D. Mindock
>>>>>>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 1:51 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] George Galloway _ Lebanon. View it
>>>>>>> whileyou can
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>> See:
>>>>>>> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
>>>>>>> az=view_all&address=364x1828245 which has a blurb plus links.
>>>>>>> Peace, D. Mindock
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: M&K DuPree
>>>>>>>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:20 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: George Galloway _ Lebanon.
>>>>>>>> View it whileyou can
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me also add this note. I haven't checked the Pentagon site
>>>>>>>> for this info. Maybe someone else would care to research it
>>>>>>>> and verify. But here you. -- Mike DuPree
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://english.people.com.cn//200608/09/eng20060809_291225.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 40,000 U.S. soldiers have deserted from military since 2000:
>>>>>>>> report
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some 40,000 personnel from all branches of the U.S. military
>>>>>>>> have deserted since 2000, U.S. media quoted Pentagon sources as
>>>>>>>> saying Tuesday.
>>>>>>>> From the total, more than half had served in the U.S. Army,
>>>>>>>> according to the report.
>>>>>>>> Anti-war organizations said that the mass desertions were due
>>>>>>>> to the strong resistance to war which is more prevalent than
>>>>>>>> the military has openly admitted.
>>>>>>>> "They (U.S. military) lied in Vietnam about the amount of
>>>>>>>> opposition to the war and they're lying now," said Eric Seitz,
>>>>>>>> an attorney who represents Army Lt. Ehren Watada, the first
>>>>>>>> commissioned officer to refuse to join his brigade when it was
>>>>>>>> sent to Iraq last month. He is now under military custody in
>>>>>>>> Fort Lewis, Washington.
>>>>>>>> A 2002 Army report said that desertion was fairly constant but
>>>>>>>> "tends to worsen during wartime."
>>>>>>>> Source: Xinhua
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