Hey people, I do not want to make a real issue of complaining BUT..... I really think the 11 Sept has been done to overdone....
The mechanics of the building collapse, or even the day (which I read somewhere was a Jewish holiday anyway, otherwise the death toll would have been higher) is less significant when one considers where the conservative right wing radicals have taken the outcome. I feel that if another US president was in the chair, the manner of handling the public outcry could have been very different: imagine for a minute if the huge sums spent on the war had been spent helping some incredibly poor people of the world actually feel that they had hope. This would alleviate the festering wound, and help the good people in these areas be heard, instead of the negative thoughts the radical religious leaders are now spreading. I feel it is incredible that Iraq can now be a more dangerous place with a higher chance of being tortured than under Saddam Hussein. (Stated recently by a UN investigation) It is really time the Western world woke up to the true reasons for Terrorism. How long is it since we heard 'make Love, not War' regards Doug On Sunday 24 September 2006 3:53, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: > While I believe building 7 is extremely important to look at I don't > believe that it could be a "key" of importance. > > I'm also interested in the "turn" ability of an airplane from within the > actual cockpit. > > There are multi-layers to be looked at .. and .. there isn't a cell in my > body that believes that anything of real "truth" will be revealed in these > life-times .. yours, mine, ours .. or in generations to come .. if there's > any. > > Lies and secrets last generations upon generations .. history is written by > the victor .. and victors usually have a great deal to hide. > > Take a look at our ideas of Druid and Inca culture and their "human" > sacrifice .. and how many generations ago was that .. and if you don't know > I will tell you that the majority of what we know today about the Druid's > was written by the Roman conquerors and the majority of what we know today > about the Inca civilization was written by the Spaniards. > > Propaganda is an extremely old tool. > > Mary Lynn > Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister > ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART > TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . > Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner > . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . > The Animal Connection Healing Modalities > http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ > http://allcreatureconnections.org > > >From: "Terry Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT 11 > >Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:53:27 +0000 > > > >Building 7 is the key investigation to look at. The FBI reports could be > >the reason for the entire 9/11 event. Remember the movie "Missing" with > >the > >actor Jack Lemon. It was a true story about how the CIA performed > >unbelievable horible acts of murder in order to keep the big business > >companies of USA rich. > > > >Terry Dyck > > > > >From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT 11 > > >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:38:16 -0500 > > > > > >Bldg 7 fell in the same controlled fashion even though of different > > >construction method. > > >It was hit by debris but not an airliner. Bldg 7 was not mentioned in > > > the 9/11 commission > > >report. Why? It was a big building, 47 stories, loaded with FBI files on > > >Enron and other cases. > > >No steel framed building before or since 9/11 has ever fallen due to > > > >fire. > > > > >Some buildings > > >were ablaze for seventeen hours, still no failure. > > >If one looks at the totality of 9/11 and the numerous conflicts between > > > >the > > > > >official story > > >and the actual evidence, it is easily concluded that the government is > > >lying > > >to the American > > >people. Remember too how fiercely the Bush regime fought the > > > >establishment > > > > >of the commission to > > >investigate 9/11. They do not want the truth to be told and much prefer > > >their own reality. > > >9/11 could not have happened without goverment complicity. > > >Peace, D. Mindock > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "robert and benita rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:38 AM > > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT 11 > > > > > > > D. Mindock wrote: > > > >>Robert, > > > >> The towers and bldg 7 are just part of a larger puzzle. You want > > > >> to believe the buildings all fell down the same exact way, go ahead. > > > > > > > > They didn't fall in the exact same way, but the reasons they > > > > collapsed are similar. I've explained this in another post. > > > > > > > >> But what of the numerous explosions throughout the buildings after > > > >they > > > > > >> were hit by the airliners and > > > >>before they fell? > > > > > > > > Fire, ignited by the impact, spread rapidly through the building. > > > > Anything that could burn, did. I've seen hillsides explode when > > > >ignited > > > > > > by fire. I've seen fire move so fast that deer are engulfed in > > > > flames trying to flee. Fire is unpredictable. At the time, I was > > > > surprised the towers stayed up as long as they did. > > > > > > > >> What about the molten steel found in the basement? > > > > > > > > There's a LOT of energy in the mass of material cascading 110 > > > >floors > > > > > > to the ground. All of the friction, coupled with the heat of the > > > > fire itself, was insulated from dissipating and concentrated by the > > > > debris > > > >on > > > > > > top of it. I've seen bits of charcoal still hot enough to glow > > > > buried in wood stove ash days after the last fire in the stove. > > > > Molten steel in the basement of the WTC is not remarkable. > > > > > > > >> What about the puffs of smoke on the floor levels below the falling > > > >> floors above? > > > > > > > > One of the buildings collapsed from the center first. What you're > > > > observing in the photos is overpressure and debris escaping in a > > > >lateral > > > > > > direction from the force of overhead compression. > > > > > > > >> What about the very high temperatures recorded in the rubble, much > > > > > >higher > > > > > > >> than jet fuel is > > > >>capable? > > > > > > > > Vigorously rub your hands together and you'll increase the > > > > temperature of your skin much higher than is normal, too. The vast > > > >mass > > > > > > of material falling that distance will create tremendous friction. > > > > > > > >>Why did bldg 7 fall in the same manner as the towers even though its > > > >>construction was not the same as the towers? > > > > > > > > The middle floors on building 7 were on fire for a long time. > > > > Even the fire department realized they were going to lose that > > > > building and pulled their firefighters away. > > > > > > > >> Your Occam's Razor is being severely > > > >>overused. > > > > > > > > I don't think so. The WTC collapse makes more sense to me than > > > >does > > > > > > the explanation for the Pentagon. > > > > > > > >>And the towers were a minor part of 9/11's strange occurances. What > > > > > >about > > > > > > >>Able Danger? Why was this info ignored by the 9/11 Commission? Etc., > > > > > >etc. > > > > > > >>You > > > >>need to look at the whole series of bizarre "dots" to get the whole > > > >>picture. > > > > > > > > There are MANY unanswered questions. There are MANY pieces to the > > > > puzzle that don't fit. I am unsatisfied with the "official" story of > > > > that day, but I don't have a problem understanding that fire from two > > > > fully loaded airliners brought down the WTC buildings. > > > > > > > > robert luis rabello > > > > "The Edge of Justice" > > > > Adventure for Your Mind > > > > http://www.newadventure.ca > > > > > > > > Ranger Supercharger Project Page > > > > http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or > > >g > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > > > messages): > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/451 - Release Date: > > > > > >9/19/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Biofuel mailing list > > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or > > >g > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > >messages): > > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
