i dont suppose anyone actually went and gave the cows a health exam? i really doubt that they were in any condition to be giving healthy milk to begin with. a typical dairy farm is usually a reeking, filthy, hell-hole with dirty cows on poorly drained concrete, and being fed the weakest of slop because its CHEAPER. i would be thankful for heat treated, sanitized (un)milk as long as places like that continue to operate the way they do. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
> D. Mindock wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When >> milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful >> to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the >> Harvard study would actually be better off. >> Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic. >> > http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/10/13/food/0_03_1110_12_06.txt > > Raw organic milk that sickened California children now OK > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003280686_spinach29m.html > > Two children have been sickened in another episode of E. coli infection, > this time from drinking raw milk from a Whatcom County dairy. > > A 5-year-old boy from Issaquah was still hospitalized with the illness > Thursday, while an 8-year-old girl from Snohomish County was recovering > at home, said state health officials and a spokeswoman for a store that > sold the milk. > > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20061013-01412200-bc-britain-tb.xml > > > > Small TB outbreak traced to raw milk > > > > > > >> Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas >> drink their milk cultured, not straight up. >> Peace, D. Mindock >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia >> WasTestimonials as Evidence) >> >> >> >>> From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept. >>> >>> Caveat: No proof other than what I've read over the years. >>> >>> It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are >>> in large part due to environment/lifestyle. In the third world, >>> disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and >>> adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the >>> diseaeses of affluence: diabetis being the one that comes to mind, >>> along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood >>> pressure, strokes and so on. Smoking is another factor. >>> >>> Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website: >>> >>> In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't >>> actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example, >>> in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female >>> nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were >>> at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who >>> drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3 >>> <http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references>) >>> Other studies have found similar results. >>> >>> It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop "a disease" if >>> they don't eat the milk of another species. Dogs don't need cat milk. >>> >>> bob allen wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Howdy Terry, >>>> >>>> Terry Dyck wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> HI Bob, >>>>> >>>>> The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease, >>>>> Diabetes, >>>>> Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> oh really, and your source for these "facts" is? are the data age >>>> adjusted, etc. and just what "other" ailments are included. This is >>>> the >>>> issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are overly broad >>>> statements as fact, without little or no support. So give me >>>> reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions. >>>> >>>> or how about just statistic at a time to discuss. How about age >>>> adjusted cancer rates? (age adjusting is necessary as cancer is >>>> essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely you are to >>>> get cancer. >>>> >>>> >>>> show me the data please. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On the other hand >>>>> there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called >>>>> Hunzaland >>>>> that is an almost disease free area. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I have heard this canard before. I googled hunzaland and about the >>>> only >>>> thing I got were people hawking their particular "cure" >>>> >>>> The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory >>>> http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm >>>> >>>> or how about 160+ year olds >>>> http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm >>>> >>>> do really believe that? really, you don't think someone could be less >>>> than forthright to make a point about a product the promote? >>>> >>>> or maybe it's the magnetized water >>>> http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> A pure organic food diet and almost no >>>>> pollution could be the reason for people having good health. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out better >>>> documentation? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob >>>>>> ========================================================= >>>>>> The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises >>>>>> in >>>>>> moral philosophy; that is, >>>>>> the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/482 - Release Date: 10/18/2006 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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