see also
Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:41
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use
ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
update, it appears that most of the sulfur which went into
solution
crystallized out (needles) upon cooling to room temp.
bob allen wrote:
> I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in
50 milliliters of biodiesel and
> heated. some but not all went into
solution, so I can say that sulfur is
> soluble to less than two
percent in biodiesel.
>
>
> Tonomár András
wrote:
>
>> I was looking through the MSDS of our
cutting oil but found no trace
>> of the chemical stucture. ( I think
they consider it industrial secret)
>>
>> WOuld be nive if
you could find out something about sulfur dissolving
>> Thank you in
advance
>>
>> Kind reg.
>>
Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
BIodiesel use ascoolant
>>
andlubricatinginsteelmachining
>>
>>
>> I don't
know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in
>> non
polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect
>>
it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you
would
>> need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder ,
add to the
>> biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This
is assuming that
>> when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental
sulfur rather than sulfur
>> present in another form. If
I get time this afternoon I'll give it a
>> try. stay
tuned.
>>
>> Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel
works, wouldn't "sulfurated"
>> vegetable oil work just as
well?
>>
>>
>>
>>> I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure
how they put
>>> sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help
answer this question?
>>>
>>>
Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
From: Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>>
To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant
>>>>
andlubricatinginsteelmachining
>>>> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006
11:20:31 +0100
>>>>
>>>>
James,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your
reply.
>>>> Do you know how can I add
sulfur?
>>>> What was your final conclusion with the
experiment?
>>>> Do you still use it or
not?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
Original Message -----
>>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To:
<biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re:
[Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and
>>>>
lubricatinginsteelmachining
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good
cut. Thats
the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
magic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ingreadient to cutting
oils.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>>>>
To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and
lubricating
>>>>>>
insteelmachining
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27
-0700
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will probably
work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I
used
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> some
>>>>
for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> this and it got hot and smoked (worked good
though) but I
didn't'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> have
a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an
msds on
your
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> cutting
oil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> and one for biodiesel then compare the
properties. This can be
a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
guide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> that will tell you what modifications you need to
make.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----
>>>>>> From: Tonomár András<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>
To:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006
4:31 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel
use as coolant and lubricating in
>>>>>>
steelmachining
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Dear list
members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines
as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
coolant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil
prices are high in the sky
(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> $21
/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns
that use such
oil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> We
are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> machining soft steel and automatic steel. The
tools are made of
rapid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
steel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> and normal HSS
drills
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My
boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and
my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> thoughts
>>>>
are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> on
biodiesel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to
have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
some
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> info in
advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Kind regards,
>>>>>>
Andrew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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