methanol can also be used as a denaturant, at 5%. ANYWAY... gasoline in small
amounts will not ruin a reaction, but it will pollute the BD with unwanted
fossil products. and anhydrous alcohol is not difficult to buy in bulk, its
just a lot more expensive (and probably - long term - cheaper to make
yourself...).
Jason
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From: Thomas Kelly
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Jim,
Bad news.
I don't think it will ever be possible to obtain 99%+ ethanol in the US
unless you make it yourself. That is exactly what I planned to work on this
past summer. I contacted the National Revenue Center to get info regarding
ethanol production in order to make ethyl esters. They were very helpful. It is
necessary to obtain a permit. Ethanol used on the premises covered under the
permit does not have to be denatured, but any ethanol that leaves the premises
must be denatured ex. 2 gal of unleaded gasoline added to 100 gal of ethanol.
Because of this, I don't think it will be possible to obtain ethanol from
another site.
I don't know what effect the 2 gallons of gasoline/100 gal of ethanol
would have on the transesterification process. I also suspect that only an
E-85 blend would be available.
May have to consider making fuel grade ethanol.
I got discouraged and put it aside.
Tom
From: JAMES PHELPS
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
It is something that I intend to fiddle with soon. I like ethanol as it
won't blind you only makes you see double temporarily ;^).
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Kelly
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Ethanol to make ethyl esters makes good sense. Not only renewable,
but carbon neutral as well.
May have to tweak the process a bit ..... vacuum to reduce water
in oil?
Use high quality WVO or do an Acid Stage to reduce FFAs. Haven't heard of
anyone using ethanol and the Foolproof Method.
Worth the effort I'd think. Will make for interesting discussion
when ethanol (99%+) becomes available.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: JAMES PHELPS
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Francisco,
I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a
result of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen,
when it does that means the biodiesel produced with ethanol is 100% renewable
and not independent on a chemical produced with natural gas. After all when we
run out of gas, that is what we will have to use anyway. The current timing is
right as there are several hundred Ethanol plants across the US gearing up for
production in 2007. We have one within 80 miles that I will start buying from
when my methanol is out.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: FRANCISCO
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels
production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do
to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons?
VEry best
Chic
VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote:
It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is
produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices
have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They
probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated.
The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive
heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is
more difficult and costly.
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Hello All,
Did I miss the news?
Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
recently?
I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price
( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon .... 35%
increase in a few months?
I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.
Thanks,
Tom
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