Hello Terry >Hi Kirk, > >If all of us did what we should be doing our houses would be one >room heated with Geo Thermal, hot water and electricity by solar and >we would walk or bike almost everywere
This: >and we would be totally Vegan. ... is nonsense, as we've established quite thoroughly many times. Please go to the archives and check it out. There is no way of raising crops sustainably without using livestock in the production system. No vegetarian farming system has ever survived the test of time. Please don't argue about it until you've checked it out, no need to go over the same old ground yet another time. >The Union of Concerned Scientists reports that because of the amount >of Methane gas caused from feed lots, etc. that the total of all >livestock on this planet is equivalent to taking 33 million cars of >the road. "Feed lots, etc"? What does the "etc" mean? I'm sure the amount of GHGs emitted by trees etc is even worse, should we cut them all down too? "Do trees share blame for global warming?" http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0119/p13s01-sten.html "Globally, living plants may contribute from 10 to 30 percent of global methane emissions." I haven't seen the UCS report you mention, would you give us a reference or a link please? Anyway you're talking about feedlots, CAFOs, Confined Animal Feeding Operations, industrialised factory farms. No CAFOs no meat? That's the same mistake enviros make when they attack fuel ethanol because they don't like Archer Daniel Midlands and Cargill. There are other ways of doing things, as we ought to know by now. There've been a number of high-profile critiques of industrial meat production and global warming, this is the main one: http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm Livestock's long shadow - Environmental issues and options Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations Feedlot cattle, pigs and poultry eat industrialised grain, produced with high dependence on fossil-fuel inputs and at high environmental cost, and the same applies to the CAFO livestock production system itself. Check out how carbon-neutral industrialised grain turns out to be. Pastured livestock eat forage. With CAFOs most of the methane emissions result from the manure storage, especially in with pigs. With pastured livestock, especially with rotational pasture, the manure provides the soil fertility to produce multiple following crops, displaces the need for fossil-fuel based chemical fertilisers, and does so at a healthy profit. Such pasture soils sequester very large amounts of carbon. I think the meat industry would account for a lot more than a paltry 33 million cars' worth of GHGs. Well so what, it doesn't have any future anyway, any more than the rest of the industrial agriculture disaster does. It's fossil-fuel dependent every step of the way, and measured in food miles that comes to a hell of a long way. It'll bust all their bottom-lines when carbon accounting starts hitting the global trade it depends on, the insane distribution system, the processing. Apart from all of which CAFOs have become a major bio-hazard. No need for it anyway. The future is small, sustainable, family-run mixed farms with integrated crop and livestock production, low input, high output, local markets. Best Keith >Terry Dyck > >>From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use >>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:45:14 -0800 (PST) >> >>The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I would do it. >> So how true is it - at least to him. >> If it doent motivate him maybe he knows something we dont. >> So of all people to squander energy it shouldnt be him. >> >> You might want to look into Cripple Creek Coal which he is on the >>board of directors. >> >> Kirk >> >>Tom Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Kirk and all, >> When the message cannot be attacked then attack the messenger. Ok, >>so Gore doesn´t walk the talk. How many of us do? We try to, but >>there is a long way to go for most everyone in the developed world. >>It´s the message that´s inportant, not the man. >> Tom Irwin >> >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> >>From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>To: biofuel <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>Subject: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use >>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:57:43 -0800 (PST) >> _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
