Hello E. >Hello Keith > >"...That's okay if you're just curious but it needs a bit more rigour if you want to discuss it. The list archives would have helped, that's what it's for..." > >I am pretty sure "discussion" was what the original poster, "Marylynn", had in mind here.
Marylynn wasn't the original poster, Manick was. Marylynn didn't get it wrong, you did. It's a discussion group, "discussion" is what goes on here. (You're still not being very rigorous.) >I am certain that everyone interested in this subject is grateful that you brought up such a list of references for them to read without having to research for themselves. I wouldn't have had to spend the time doing it if you'd been a little less sloppy. (Though next time someone's that sloppy about it all I'll need is the url.) >For me, I had no idea that anyone still doubted the problem with the product as I am pretty sure that it has been common knowledge for many years. :-) You said "google snopes.com, they say this is a hoax" but it's what snopes.com says that's the hoax, and you fell for it, as your second message confirms. Drop the double-talk eh? Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner >E. > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Hello E. > >>Hi Marylynn, >> >>I don't know a thing about snoops.com but what I like about snopes.com is >that they usually give references for the basis of their opinion. > >There are references and references though. > >>>google snopes.com, they say this is a hoax > >... and they cite as their references such stalwarts in championing the >public interest as the FDA and Elizabeth Whelan's Astroturf group the >American Council on Science and Health, right. > >"American Council on Science and Health >"... In the latest years for which information is available, some 40 >percent of ACSH's budget was supplied directly by industry, including >a long list of food, drug and chemical companies that have a vested >interest in supporting [CEO Elizabeth] Whelan's message..." >- SourceWatch (many refs and further links): >http://snipurl.com/1wmws > >Along with the usual suspects ASCH funders include Monsanto, NutraSweet >and Searle. >` >The FDA is just the food and drug industries' enabling wing, their >Washington Bureau, it's a hub of revolving doors. > >Snopes.com is useful but it's not an authority and it's not above the need >for checking. SourceWatch for one is much better: >http://www.sourcewatch.org/ > >You can find stuff like this there: > >"... One thing is certain, despite what appears to be a concerted effort >on the part of aspartames makers to negate the allegations of health >problems, adverse reactions from aspartame are real. > >"This was eloquently borne out in 1996, when Ralph G. Walton, MD, >professor and chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Northeastern >Ohio Universitys College of Medicine, conducted an analysis of all the >medical studies164 of them at the timedealing with human safety as it >relates to the use of aspartame. The studies were separated into two >categories: 74 of the studies were sponsored by the aspartame industry and >90 of them were non-industry-sponsored studies. Dr. Walton found that of >the 74 studies sponsored by the aspartame industry, 100 percent of them >claimed there were no health problems associated with aspartame use. Of >the 90 studies that had no connections to industry, all but seven of them >identified one or more problems with aspartame use. Interestingly, of the >seven studies that did not find problems, the FDA had conducted six. >Critics suggest that since a number of FDA officials eventually went to >work for the aspartame industry, these six studies should be considered >industry-sponsored research as well." >http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/aspartame.html > >Or this, how aspartame was approved by the FDA: > >Aspartame Gate: When Donald Rumsfeld was CEO of Searle (manufacturers of >aspartame) >http://snipurl.com/1wmwz > >More here, about halfway down: > >http://www.onlinejournal.com/health/080604Mazza/080604mazza.html >Aspartame, anti-depressants and Bush > >Here too: > >http://snipurl.com/1wmwv >Biofuel - Rumsfeld +aspartame 43 matches > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N0z8stino >Aspartame & Rumsfeld > >http://snipurl.com/1wmwy >Biofuel - Aspartame - 135 matches > >Also this: > >"Aspartame Poisoning - NOT an Internet Hoax > >"DORway.com opened Searle's "Pandora's" book of facts on aspartame during >September of 1996. For over four years Monsanto (who bought Searle in >1985), their many PR and law firms, visited DORway.com many thousands of >times (documented by IP addresses). The FDA, CDC and other entities >visited, as well. The highly litigious Monsanto was unable to find >anything to use against the site in an effort to close it down and relieve >the growing pressures on its dying aspartame cash cow. Obviously, they >cannot argue with the documentation (the most damning of which comes from >the FDA and sworn testimony). > >"While two anti-aspartame Web sites (1996) grew to tens of thousands (as >of October, 2001, Google.com had over 80,000), and while Nutrasweet's 28 >million pounds of aspartame sold during 1996 slipped to only 20 million >pounds during 1998, Monsanto sought to counter the truth (and their >negative "good growth") with pro-aspartame WEB sites. When the "Nancy >Markle" Email appeared during December, 1998, Monsanto and friends >panicked. Monsanto, FDA, ADA, IFIC, MSFacts, TIME, CNN, LA Times, and a >lot more who stood to LOSE if aspartame were recalled, ALL JOINED HANDS to >call our information and the facts an "Internet hoax." Want a hint at the >whole truth? Simply compare their messages, and then look for the $$$ >connection. And the FDA? Just think future industry jobs and the fact that >they are culpable of approving this cumulative toxic poison. ..." >http://www.dorway.com/ > >Even Wikipedia gets it more or less right: > >FDA approval process >Some critics of Aspartame use have criticized its approval process >specifically; they note that the head of the FDA, Jere E. Goyan, was >removed from his post on the first day of Ronald Reagan's presidency >(1981). Previously, Goyan refused to approve the legalization of >aspartame, due to the studies documenting increase of cancers in rats. >Reagan appointed Arthur Hayes, MD, (FDA Commissioner 1981-1983) >Commissioner, who legalized aspartame a year later. Reagan supporter >Donald Rumsfeld was president and later CEO of G. D. Searle & Company from >1977 to 1985.[77][78] In November 1983 Hayes was under fire for accepting >corporate gifts. He quit and joined Searle's public-relations firm as >senior medical advisor. Searle lawyer Robert B. Shapiro, renamed aspartame >NutraSweet. Monsanto purchased Searle. Rumsfeld received a $12 million >bonus. Shapiro later became Monsanto president. > >Several members of the FDA board left their jobs after stevia (aspartame's >main competitor then) was banned in 1991. They were all hired at >Nutrasweet in higher paying jobs, according to national records. Dr. >Michael Friedman quit the FDA when Jane Henney was selected to become the >permanent FDA commissioner (1999). Friedman elected to sign with G. D. >Searle as a senior vice president at a purported $500,000 a year. He later >accepted a position with Monsanto. >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy > >"Donald Rumsfeld, who was a former member of the U.S. Congress and the >Chief of Staff in the Gerald Ford Administration, was hired as G.D. >Searle's President. Attorney James Turner, Esq. alleged that G.D. Searle >hired Rumsfeld to handle the aspartame approval difficulties as a 'legal >problem rather than a scientific problem.'" (U.S. Senate 1987) > >http://www.stevia.net/aspartame.htm >The Aspartame/NutraSweet fiasco by James S. Turner > >Rumsfeld did the same thing with Searle and Tamiflu (see archives). > >And so on. > >>That has been a pretty good starting point for my research on subjects >that I feel the need to know about. > >That's okay if you're just curious but it needs a bit more rigour if you >want to discuss it. The list archives would have helped, that's what it's >for. > >Best > >Keith > > > >>This one is truly interesting. >> >>E >> >>Marylynn Schmidt wrote: >>In this case I would tend to believe that snoops.com got it wrong. >> >>I personally know far too many people horribly effected by drinking diet >products. >> >>My ex-neighbor, a young mother who has been left nearly blind and deaf >due to a fast moving brain tumor .. and according to her doctor this is a >known side effect of aspartame. Because the tumor took out a great deal >of her optic nerves and inner ear, this is not correctable. >> >>A client's college student son became almost completely bald and started >re-growing his hair once he stopped drinking the diet drinks .. he is >finishing the process with hair replacement plugs .. a process he tells >me is quite painful and expensive. >> >>.. and yes, I do know of the disappearing MS symptoms from 2 different >people I swim with at the "Y". >> >>The history of Aspartame's approval by the FDA would suggest that >something isn't quite on the up and up. >> >>I tend to avoid the artificial as much as possible .. not always possible >because I eat out mostly .. but if the bottle lists Diet, I leave it >alone. >> >>.. also in the case of my client's son, even though he has not been >drinking diet soda for a year or so, he tells me that he still craves it. >> >>Mary LynnRev. 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