i produce raw milk and our trouble in marketing it was very clearly summed up 
in the thread about voting for hillary.
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From: Chip Mefford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Originally Posted to the list, on Monday, feb 11, 2008:
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> It's now been two days since the final keynote speech of the
> Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture 2008
> conference ended.
> 
> I've slept 2 nights, and still have not assimilated the information
> I gathered -almost by osmosis- by attending. Was just about the best
> money and time I ever spent.
> 
> The final keynote was delivered by Mark McAfee of Organic Pastures
> Dairy  http://www.organicpastures.com/ in California. Mr McAfee's
> dairy is one of the two licensed raw milk dairies in California,
> and one of one certified organic raw milk dairy in that state.
> 
> In his keynote, he made a lot of tall claims for his product
> specifically and raw dairy in general. And I, being who I am
> somewhat skeptical in nature, had a bit of a problem with it
> all. However, taking anecdotes for what they are, was pretty
> overwhelmed by some of the claims of his customers. Throughout
> the whole presentation, the line from Frank Zappa's 'cosmic debris'
> kept floating to the top of my consciousness, "And you may not
> believe this little fella, but it'll cure your asthma too".
> 
> Seems the LA region of California is suffering from a literal
> epidemic of asthma. The stats he gave were 1 in 5, that's 20
> percent of children in that part of the state. Of his customer
> base, many began using raw dairy with asthma, and have put their
> pills and inhalers away, because the symptoms are all gone. All,
> gone.
> 
> Caveats apply of course, folks who are living with the western
> modern 'heath' or rather, anti-heath of cancers, massive pharmaceutical
> dependencies, esp hormones and antibiotics could quite literally be
> killed by a switch to raw dairy. The baseline of general health must
> be there. The probiotic nature of raw dairy is pretty strong stuff.
> 
> The general thesis is, that we, esp in the west, but basically all over
> the world, never really made it anywhere, without the cow. We have
> co-evolved over the last few tens of thousands of years. We are
> in point of fact, symbiotically co-dependent, we are our dairy,
> we are our gardens and farms, and they are us.
> 
> Now, for me, this rather flies in the face of what I have read and
> studied, I was under the impression (and still somewhat still am) that
> homo sapiens relation with 'cattle' is way too young for there to be a
> symbiotic relationship, but apparently, there is a context. homo sapiens
> the hunter/gatherer and homo sapiens the cultivator are very different
> in lifestyle, diet and lifespan. Apparently, homo sapiens from the farm
> like other homo sapiens, live between 70 and 100 years, keeping their
> working strength for pretty much all that time, from adolescent onwards.
> Homo sapiens post-farm, (homo novus if you will) also go 70-90+ years
> but begin their decline almost as soon as they hit reproductive
> maturity, and that curve starts turning downwards quickly after 45+
> years. Now, it's interesting to note that in our 'pharmaceutical
> rich' biosphere that we have created over the last 50 years, that
> 'People' in the west, due to presence of real and artificial growth
> and reproductive hormones in the food chain, are starting to show
> signs of early onset of puberty at insane ages, I overheard folks
> talking about studies showing signs in 1 year old girls.
> 
> The dairy, the meat, the vegetables, and by immediate one-jump
> extension, Us, are totally tied to the soil, and the pasture.
> Seems like, the funding for the ARS pasture research work has been
> completely gutted by President Bush. As if, the pasture no longer
> had any meaning in this day. Seems, this day of patented gmo grains,
> antibiotics, and 'feed lot' type 'cattle' factory farming has precluded
> the science of the pasture. As if the pasture no longer has any
> significance.
> 
> One could get the impression that here in the US, as well as the
> rest of the developing world, large multinational organizations
> are running a full court press to remove the farm aspect from
> food production entirely.
> 
> Seeing as -at least the anecdotal- evidence strongly implies,
> if not outright insists, that factory food production leads to
> long term dependence on pharmaceutical products, at a much reduced
> quality of life, the only reason for this it seems, would be to increase
> the wealth of a few, at the expense of the heath of the whole.
> 
> Gee, do you think?
> 
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> 
> On the other hand, PASA, the Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable
> Agriculture's 2008 'Farming for the Future' Conference in State
> College, Pa, US, was attended by over two thousand people, representing
> 42 states in the US, and 8 countries world wide. A lot of people,
> working hard, and some of them, working really hard, to make a
> difference, to make a better life, in harmony, for all of us.
> 
> There is a whole lot I have to say about impressions I took away from
> this weekend, that I have not even begun to try to condense down into
> coherent thoughts.
> 
> Things are messed up.
> Folks are working hard to make things better.
> 
> there is hope.
> 
> No Farms
> No Food.
> 
> I would take it a bit further;
> 
> Know Farms
> Know Food.
> 
> - --chipper
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