hello Denise, I think that US BD is more or synonomous with soy biodiesel although it may be a myth. US is the biggest soy producer in the world and that is not a myth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "denise farley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Merceds-Benz
> Keith, > Just out of sheer curiosity, where does the information that "Most > biodiesel > in the US is soy biodiesel" come from? > > I was wondering too, since I cannot find the information even on the NBB > (unless I am blind which is never outside the realm of possibility), where > might be a good source to look for a list of currently operating biodiesel > plant? Ours closed and is in bankruptcy and of the other two in the local > area, only one is operating. We couldn't compete even switching to animal > fats - and all those inherent processing problems. Of course, the one > operating is big-bucks AGP and, yes, uses soy. > > Hmmm. D'ya think I might have sort of answered my own question here? > Although I will say there is a soybean processing coop south of here that > ceased production of biodiesel in their facility for at least 6 months > last > I heard. They sold their soybean oil to AGP during that period. Sigh. > > Thanks so much! > Denise > > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Keith Addison > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> >> Most biodiesel in the US is soy biodiesel, which doesn't need high >> pressure to oxidise and polymerise, it's a semi-drying oil, it'll >> polymerise anyway. The IV is well above the EU biodiesel standard >> upper limit. (See "Iodine Values" >> <http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine>, "National >> standards for biodiesel >> <http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#biodstds>.) The >> biodiesel industry in the US seems to be more are less in denial >> about this, but then the US National Biodiesel Board is a creature of >> US Big Soy. >> >> Hm, I must check how the US-EU row over the US dumping cheap soy >> biodiesel on the EU market is progressing. IIRC last time I looked >> the US was accusing the EU of protectionism, on the basis of what >> sounded like GMO-style "substantial equivalence" of America's soy and >> Europe's rapeseed oil, though they're not equivalent when it comes to >> iodine values and polymerisation. Rapeseed oil has a much lower IV >> and is much less likely to polymerise. Nonetheless, a lot of >> Europeans use anti-oxidant with their biodiesel, while very little >> anti-oxidant is used in the US, by contrast. Also, in the US most >> biodiesel is the NBB's commercial B20, a low blend with a lower risk >> of polymerisation, so they have to care about it that much less. >> >> They're never going to accept that soy could be anything less than >> ideal. I get the impression that, even if there is such a thing, >> high-pressure polymerisation could be just a convenient scapegoat for >> soy's shortcomings. >> >> Best >> >> Keith >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20091017/f1fa8762/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
