Ditto Karl Tony On 12/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Elan, > > If biofuels will properly be only a drop in the bucket of the solution, > as Thomas Shelley says (my view as well), do Cornell's energy R&D > priorities really reflect that? > > Also, Larry Walker's language: > > "organic > wastes that can be used to meet energy and > product needs of the Northeast Region. We have > embraced an "industrial ecology" approach" > > reveals the same purely reductionist mindset in science that I have found > rampant at Cornell in twenty years of attempts to interact productively > with the institution as a non-faculty citizen stakeholder. "Organic > wastes"? There are people in CALS who still call manure a waste. Once the > energy descent is in full force, I doubt that much of anything organic > will be judged a waste. It wasn't in pre-oil eras, and it should not have > been in the short history of industrial civilization. And no holist would > be comfortable speaking an oxymoron like "industrial ecology", even in > quotes. > > Sorry, I am not impressed. > > Karl North > Northland Sheep Dairy, Freetown, New York USA > www.geocities.com/northsheep/ > "Mother Nature never farms without animals" - Albert Howard > "Pueblo que canta no morira" - Cuban saying > > On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:43:33 -0500 Thomas Shelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > > At 10:11 PM 12/20/2007 -0500, you wrote: > > >Maybe I'm naive, but I am impressed and moved by > > >the tone and substance of this exchange. I'd love > > >to hear others' take on it. > > >Elan > > > > > > Dear Elan and Friends--I have met Larry Walker, on a number of > > occasions. I don't know him personally very well, but I think that > > he is > > overall a pretty good guy. He is a great researcher and he and his > > > > research staff have done some outstanding research in area of > > biological > > and environmental engineering. I do believe him when he says that > > he has > > not (in my words) sold out to Big Ag industry and that > > sustainability has > > always been an important focus of his research. He is one of the > > younger > > generation of researchers that was never aligned with the military > > industrial complex in the usual sense of the terms. > > > > All that being as it may, we are still faced with the pending energy > > > > decent. Appropriately developed biofuels will have a place in our > > future, > > hopefully not in a Big Ag mode, but in a more sustainable mode. > > Even > > so, we will all need to reduce our energy requirements by 50-80 > > percent. Biofuels will be a drop in the bucket in the long run. We > > will > > need to reduce our consumption of other resources by even more as > > they > > simply won't be available. We need to reduce our global population > > to less > > than 1/5th of our current levels--or it will reduce itself one way > > or > > another. The energy decent is about using less, making less and > > procreating less and being happy about the fact that possibly we > > will > > survive.... and enjoying what we do as humans at higher levels, most > > of > > which is free and consumes no resources to speak of. My $.02. > > Tom > > > > Tom Shelley > > 118 E. Court St. > > Ithaca, NY 14850 > > 607 342-0864 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.myspace.com/99319958 > > P I thank you for printing this e-mail only if it is necessary > > _______________________________________________ > > RSS, archives, subscription & listserv information for: > > [email protected] > > http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainabletompkins > > free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > RSS, archives, subscription & listserv information for: > [email protected] > http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainabletompkins > free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org >
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