Sorry George, I can't point you "to well supported findings or
persuasively argued papers that counter [your] impression that the whole
world's
population and its economies are basically on rails towards collapse and
without brakes".

*What we can all do together, though, is starting preparing our families and
our communities for it*.  At very least, it will be an interesting ride.

Take Care,
Ryan D. Hottle






On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:29 AM, George Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear ST list folks:
>
> In CNET.com, staff writer Michael Kanellos reports the findings of an
> assessment of projected energy needs and, for every known renewable option,
> what sort of ramp-up it would take to back off our lead-footed rush toward
> carbon death of the
> planet<http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9928068-54.html?tag=nl.e703>.
> The bottom line is we are not only nowhere near a course toward reduced
> emissions, there is not money or will enough in all the planet to build
> capacity to harness the needed energy renewably.  Kanellos confesses to a
> to
> an appetite for reporting doomsday sightings but sees no way this picture
> is
> anything but realistic.  One quick use you may have for the article are the
> numbers [they are staggering] that measure what scale an adequate building
> program would require to meet projected needs through renwables.
>
> The basic notion of "use less, use carefully" that many on this list
> espouse
> in some form is a position that we may have come to as an ethical response
> to what we have learned about the long term impact and sustainability of
> our
> personal consumption.  What seems clear to me in light of the reported
> assessment by SRI international researchers is that the rest of the planet
> will not have the psychological luxury or comfort of reaching this position
> on consumption via responsible reflection...they and all of us are going to
> have the decision to use less taken away from them.  We simply will have
> less to use and it is that eventuality that we should be personally
> preparing for.  If the scale of the projected renewable energy shortfall is
> indicative of shortages in other basics [and our present grain shortages
> indicate how strongly fuel-lust in rich countries is linked to food planet
> wide] then we are not talking about having a little less, we are talking
> about dire deprivation beyond the worst we now experience in any country
> with haves and have-nots thrown in to unavoidable conflict.  As a society
> in
> the grip of a world view fostered by investments vast and cold in the
> profits of the energy status quo, appropriate responses in government,
> finance, technology or personal habits simply won't come fast enough, and
> are already too late to be of much help.
>
> The one "bright spot" cited, i.e. at least we do *have* enough coal to meet
> demand, is to me a demented response that ignores a climate already in the
> early stages of collapse under its thickening blanket of CO2.  In fact, the
> clear implication of the report is that the chances of leveling off or
> reducing CO2 emissions to Kyoto levels or to those prescribed in Hansen's
> proposals is nil.  If someone can point me to well supported findings or
> persuasively argued papers that counter my impression that the whole
> world's
> population and its economies are basically on rails towards collapse and
> without brakes, please do so.
>
> Happy dearth day :(
> [earth day is one day a year, all the rest are....]
>
> -George
>
> --
> freedom is not more important than fairness and much easier to fake.
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