--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Jon Bosak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

How much do you figure it would cost to change Ithaca from a city
of about 30,000 covering 11 square miles to one of 55,000 covering
3 square miles?

I'd also be interested to know how much CO2 would be generated by
replacing the existing housing inventory and what you would
propose to do with the construction waste.

JonMy rough back of the envelope estimate is somewhere around $2 billion, of 
which 80-90 percentwould be mostly in the form of re-allocated private 
investment and 10-20 percent in public investment.  Nationwide we are probably 
talking in terms of a few trillion $$$, or about half of what state, local and 
federal governments have spent to gut our cities and fuel suburban sprawl over 
the pastfour decades.I don't know the amount of CO2 that might be generated 
over and above that which is going to begenerated as we continue to sprawl 
outward.  At the very worst I suspect that it would be a wash.Based on some 
European Union data I have, eliminating the need for some 19,000 or so 
commutersnow driving into Ithaca each day would reduce CO2 emissions locally by 
about 45 tons per day,or 11,250 tons per year, give or take.   There would also 
be a reduction in streets, highways, parking lots and rooftops of about two 
squaremiles with a commensurate decrease in the
 amount of urban heat generated and increase in vegetation.Converting that 2 
square miles to food production could also reduce local greenhouse gas 
emissions. Given the growing acceptance of the LEED building philosophy in this 
country, I can see where new construction in the future will be in the form of 
highly energy efficient homes incorporatingconcepts such as recycled building 
materials, vegetated roofs, ambient lighting, solar and geothermal energy 
systems, furtherreducing greenhouse gas emmissions from current levels.  There 
may or may not be an increase in construction waste, as the existing housing 
stock in thesuburbs is so poorly built that simply maintaining it in place will 
continue to generate asubstantial stream of construction waste, as will new 
building construction.  AS I stated earlier, many older homes in Ithaca and 
other cities are already deteriorated to the point where they haveto be 
replaced.  Moreover as our cities continue to
 be abandoned entire neighborhoods are alreadybeing demolished and landfilled.  
There is also a growing industry known as the deconstructionindustry, which 
specializes in taking down older buildings carefully and recycling the 
materialsfor use in new construction.  As the cost of raw materials increases 
and the cost of landfillingcontinues to increase I suspect that this new 
industry will continue to expand in scope, importancepositive environmental 
impact. Any other questions? George Frantz  


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