I am responding to this part of Andy's message: "We need drastic measure to reduce population in order to reduce emissions, resource use, etc, but obviously there are many moral issues to limiting population."> The clear, moral, efficient, and workable way to reduce population worldwide: EDUCATE WOMEN. Simple, but not easy. But research shows that when girls and women are educated and given choices in their society they opt to have fewer babies. These changes can happen in one generation - as in, those who are girls right now. What are the implications for Tompkins County? Are we doing a good job of educating girls and women county-wide? Do girls and women across NYS in all demographics have sufficient choices? How can we support these efforts in order to reduce population pressure? Those are my thoughts, Anne Rhodes> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:09:49 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [SustainableTompkins] Water Crisis> > Let me rephrase that...> > Population is the single largest threat to human civilization. The world > is already overpopulated, and we just reached Overshoot day. That is the > day in the year when we have already used the amount of resources that > could be generated in one year. We need drastic measure to reduce > population in order to reduce emissions, resource use, etc, but > obviously there are many moral issues to limiting population.> > Attempting to add density allows an easy step to allow more residents in > the county. Unless at the same time there is a great effort to lower the > population elsewhere, trying to make Ithaca more dense will only bring > in more people wanting to use more resources.> > I don't know how many people the current water system here can handle, > but increasing th e population is a great way to find that limit. I can > only hope that we don't need to find that limit.> > -Andy> > Andy Goodell wrote:> > How would Ithaca become more dense without the county population rising? > > Do you expect everyone outside of Ithaca to just pack up and move to the > > city? Population is rising in just about every place in the world. If > > Ithaca becomes more dense, I highly doubt that would make the people > > farther out want to live in a congested city. It is more likely that the > > increased density would just allow for more people aka more resource use.> > > > I know that a higher density CAN be more efficient, but you would need > > to restructure the way that people outside cities live, and there is > > absolutely no feasible way of doing that.> > > > Andy> > > > George Frantz wrote:> >> So here's a question to those that claim density will help solve some of > >> our problems... If Ithaca was much denser to allow for the benefits that > >> come from that, how would our water supply be affected? Can the lake and > >> aquifers come close to handling that? (I have no idea, but maybe someone > >> here does?)> >>> >> -AndyThis is an easy one. Increased density does not equal increased population.What it does mean is that we would have cities and towns that consume far lessland, generate far less pollution, including those associted with urban stormwaterrun-off, have far more available greenspace, including community garden space, and make far more efficient use of land, air, water, minerals and just about every otherresource at our disposal.The argument for density is not a claim. It's a reality manifested in about everyother country in the world outside ours.George Frantz George Frantz> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> For more information about sustainability in the Tompkins County area, please> >> visit: http://www.sustainabletompkins.org/ > >>> >> RSS, archives, subscription & listserv information for:> >> [email protected]> >> http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainabletompkins> >> free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org> >>> >>> >>> >> > >> _______________________________________________> >> For more information about sustainability in the Tompkins County area, please visit: http://www.sustainabletompkins.org/ > >>> >> RSS, archives, subscription & listserv information for:> >> [email protected]> >> http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainabletompkins> >> free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org> >>> >>> >>> > > > -- > Andy Goodell> Assistant Director> www.IthacaCarshare.org> 607.277.3210> > > _______________________________________________> For more information about sustainability in the Tompkins County area, please visit: http://www.sustainabletompkins.org/ > > RSS, archives, subscription & listserv information for:> [email protected]> http://lists.mutualaid.org /mailman/listinfo/sustainabletompkins> free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ For more information about sustainability in the Tompkins County area, please visit: http://www.sustainabletompkins.org/
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