Andy,

We are all interconnected. Cyclists may be able to continue to transport 
themselves hither and yon, but they live with other people who either 
will or won't be able to employ the cyclists in question. This isn't 
just about moving around; it's about eating and staying warm and other 
essential aspects of life. Reducing any of this to one activity, such as 
driving or not driving a car or, for that matter, using a bicycle, 
misses the point. I would argue that even people who "live off grid" are 
hurt at some level when people who depend on the grid suffer as a result 
of losing access to the utility. This isn't just about things and what 
we have; it's about our community and who we are and who we care about . 
. .  and who cares about us.

Bethany



Andy Goodell wrote:
> "The alternative is not bicycles everywhere, it's a general societal 
> collapse."
>
> But a general societal collapse will likely still involve bicycles 
> everywhere! Of course a societal collapse would hurt everyone in some 
> way, but just like those who are capable of living off-grid won't be 
> hurt by power outtages or skyrocketing coal prices, cyclists will not be 
> hurt by cars becoming unreasonably expensive to use.
>
> -Andy
>
>
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