Hear, hear...
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Joel and Sarah Gagnon < [email protected]> wrote: > You will be amazed at how quickly people will educate themselves when it > becomes in their economic interest to do so. We need to make it profitable > to conserve. We can do that with higher energy prices, but we can't seem to > muster the political will to do it. Worse, we have been subsidizing energy > consumption for a long time. We really need the carbon tax. > > Joel > > > At 10:44 AM 8/6/09 -0400, you wrote: > >> Given that every new report says global warming is happening faster >> than projected, I think we have to do conservation ASAP and local/ >> regional production of renewables ASAP. >> >> We just have to make sure (to Andy's point) we have a net reduction in >> GHG via any given form of renewables. >> >> While the cheapest, fastest route is certainly education re: >> conservation, the catch I have found (as an environmental educator) is >> that we are currently a consumer-based society, trained since the 50's >> to shop our way out of any situation (how dumb is the cash for >> clunkers, in terms of embodied energy?). Education which involved >> lifestyle changes is a major challenge. >> >> So I favor as many approaches as possible, as quickly as can be done >> "good enough" (no time for perfection, I keep telling myself). >> >> Ultimately, if we don't learn how to live within our (Earth's) >> resources, and our culture and our economy remain high-consumption >> oriented, we will be continue to be in economic and ecological >> trouble. So education is the most important element in the long run. >> But all other approaches also welcome, especially if they can be made >> part of the process. >> >> Margaret >> >> >> On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Andy Goodell wrote: >> >> I think my point was lost in the discussion, but to me it's fairly >>> simple. Wouldn't it be better to fund education and outreach >>> projects instead of buying more "stuff?" >>> >>> I think small scale renewable energy is great. If you are already >>> using little energy, go ahead and install PV and thermal and >>> microhydro if you can and reduce the load on the grid. But when it's >>> statewide and tax dollars being discussed, I think educating those >>> using >1kW is a far better use of resources ($515M in this case) >>> than producing renewable energy. >>> >>> -Andy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information about sustainability in the Tompkins County >>> area, please visit: http://www.sustainabletompkins.org/ >>> >>> RSS, archives, subscription & listserv information for: >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainabletompkins >>> Questions about the list? ask >>> [email protected] >>> free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information about sustainability in the Tompkins County area, >> please visit: http://www.sustainabletompkins.org/ >> >> RSS, archives, subscription & listserv information for: >> [email protected] >> http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainabletompkins >> Questions about the list? ask >> [email protected] >> free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org >> > _______________________________________________ > For more information about sustainability in the Tompkins County area, > please visit: http://www.sustainabletompkins.org/ > > RSS, archives, subscription & listserv information for: > [email protected] > http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainabletompkins > Questions about the list? ask > [email protected] > free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org > -- Ryan Darrell Hottle LEED-AP Environmental Science, PhD Student Carbon Management and Sequestration Center The Ohio State University Rm. 454 Kottman Hall 2021 Coffey Road Columbus, OH 43210 C: (740) 258 8450 NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. _______________________________________________ For more information about sustainability in the Tompkins County area, please visit: http://www.sustainabletompkins.org/ RSS, archives, subscription & listserv information for: [email protected] http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainabletompkins Questions about the list? ask [email protected] free hosting by http://www.mutualaid.org
