Thanks Jon,

This is a good question and you're right.  Biochar represents untapped
carbon energy... this could be further reduced to achieve maximum energy
output... however, if we at all care about carbon it'd be better to bury the
biochar (See Gaunt and Lehmann, 2007 "Energy Balance and Emissions
Associated with Biochar"
http://www.css.cornell.edu/faculty/lehmann/publ/ES&T%2042,%204152-4158,%202008%20Gaunt.pdf)
 I remember seeing the energy density of biochar... I might be able to find
it, but don't remember off the top of my head.

Gasification is essentially pyrolysis without the biochar left over which
accomplishes this more complete oxidation of the biomass carbon content.

The reason I said it was "more efficient under certain circumstances" (and I
might be wrong here...) is three fold:

1) The advantage of pyrolysis or gasification is that syngas can be
combusted at greater temperatures than can the biomass directly... thus the
efficiencies of Carnot's limit are extended and efficiencies increased.
 (Carnot's limit says something like the maximum efficiency of an internal
combustion engine cannot be greater than the hypothetical "Carnot engine"
and that this is a function of the absolute heat of heated reserve vs. the
absolute heat of the colder reserve... the greater these differences the
greater potential efficiency...  any physicists out there should correct me
if I'm wrong... ).

2) The syngas stream can be transformed into electricity in a gas generator
thereby permitting both electricity and heat from a single process (coming
at the cost of greater sophistication and complexity, of course).  I don't
think this dual energy generation capacity necessarily provides more energy
in terms of net energy out, but it could, perhaps, offer more useful net
energy out

3) Syngas could potentially be put through a fuel cell thereby bypassing the
Carnot limit altogether....

Lastly (and again this isn't an efficiency question... but kinda is)
pyrolysis or gasification can utilize a lot of materials which are not
easily combusted.  Can't throw grasses into the wood burner, but you can
pyrolyze them fairly efficiently.  This is fairly important when it comes to
developing countries where people are having to resort to cutting down
forested land to burn biomass or to convert into charcoal to be burned (see
Haiti, for instance).  They could instead be growing perennial low-input
grasses which need no fertilizer and no irrigation and sequester carbon in
their root structures and can be harvested 2 or 3 times a year in tropical
countries.

Again, I might be off on one or more of these things and Jon you certainly
may be right about efficiencies of pyrolysis vs. direct combustion... Gaunt
and Lehmann, in the aforementioned paper, suggest slow pyrolysis is between
2-9 in terms of net energy (EROEI: Energy Returned On Energy Invested) which
is pretty darn good compared to the best numbers for corn ethanol 1.8
and significantly better than the worse number for corn ethanol 0.8.  It's
also important to bear in mind that there are a lot of different pyrolysis
and gasification technologies... some of which are capable of producing
greater energy out of a given input, but usually at the cost of producing
less biochar.

To conclude, I think perhaps the most significant efficiency of pyrolysis is
the energy produced vis-a-vis the carbon sequestered... it is the only
proven carbon negative energy generation system I've seen.  And it creates
some really nice carbon input to help crops... particularly in low fertility
and highly degraded soils which are common among the weathered tropics and
semi-arid drylands where the majority of the developing world live.

But to reemphasize what Karl said... there's no simple, one-off solution out
there.  Holistic thinking is the only way that we're going to get to where
we need to be...

By way of footnote, I recently found this "development" organization which I
think may be doing among the most important work in Africa using synergistic
sustainable solutions that use this holistic thinking Karl suggests:
http://excellentdevelopment.com/ (watch the 30 min film "Walking on Water")


Best,
Ryan




On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Jon Bosak <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ryan Hottle wrote:
>
>> 2) Pyrolyzation of biomass is under many circumstance more
>> efficient than direct combustion and can additionally produce
>> electricity and biochar.
>>
>
> I'm not clear on how this works.  (I'm not quarreling with the
> statement; I just don't understand it.)
>
> Basically the energy is coming from the oxidation of carbon,
> right?  So if some of the carbon stays carbon, wouldn't that mean
> less net energy out?
>
> Jon
>
>
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