While I think it's important that we acknowledge that many of the problems with fracking contaminating groundwater elsewhere have been from shallow fracking (a few hundred feet), I am worried we may eventually face shallow fracking in NY also. Around here, the thickest portions of the Marcellus (and thus the most worth fracking--the "sweet spot") are a mile or more below the surface. So area geologists (like Bill Kappel) keep assuring us that the Marcellus is so deep that fracking there won't affect the surface layers (tho cracked casings and surface spills can'have in other areas).

CAVEAT: lots of leases have been signed where the Marcellus is less than 2000' below the surface (we should find out if leases specify formations). If the price of natural gas keeps rising, and once the infrastructure is in place for drilling the southeastern part of the Southern Tier, will the gas companies try to move north and west into areas where the Marcellus is closer to the surface?

I realize that there is already an increase in drilling taking place throughout western/central NY for conventional wells (with some fracking, but of a different order of magnitude than what is done in the Marcellus). This is in the Trenton/Black River formation, which is about a mile below the Marcellus. But there are been surface problems even with these deep wells.

I suspect T/BR drilling will continue to expand because drilling companies will either
        A] find gas, or
B] find a dry well where they may be able to store polluted/ radioactive water from Marcellus wells further south/east.

Thus our whole area can look forward to trucks full of frack water being driven on back roads and through small towns. (disposal wells proposed for Van Etten and Pulteney are just the beginning).

Margaret

On Jan 29, 2010, at 6:18 AM, Old Bird wrote:

An article on hydro-fracking from the Province of British Columbia, Canada http://www.straight.com/article-282210/vancouver/lucrative-dirty- secret

The following paragraph from the article regards an unintended consequence of a shallow fracking event (<200 m):

[Jessica Ernst, a biologist and environmental consultant to the oil and gas industry in Alberta, has firsthand experience of what happens when fracking products don't stay safely underground. After EnCana drilled and fracked several experimental gas wells in the coulees above her home east of Calgary, Ernst said in a phone interview, "I began to notice that my skin was burning in the shower. I thought it was some weird early menopause thing. Then my dogs suddenly refused to drink the water. They backed up away from it."]

This next paragraph points to the litigation problems that may occur even if one tries to independently acquire baseline water quality data:

[Alberta also gives the owner of any water well exposed to proposed fracking the right to have water from the well tested at the expense of the gas company before development occurs. Without such a baseline test, any later allegation blaming loss of a well's flow or its contamination on overly energetic fracking will come down to a "he said, she said" standoff, Simons said. Yet British Columbians are entitled to no such predevelopment test and may even find tests they pay for themselves disqualified on technical grounds.]

-Bill E
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