Ronan, Maybe you are a little too hard on Francis. Anyway, this is my version (one of possible):
Marvin, Excuse me for interfering, but I need to say that I'm amazed to see once more that a business model is often used as the ultimate panacea to address any kind of question. I think Francis is very aware of the business model but his point is to question a possibly abusive behavior. I'm afraid that the simple fact of invoking the business model is considered enough to explain and legitimize any kind of behavior under all aspects (eg. social, ethical, etc.). This often chokes many arguments and discussions that could be very interesting to let develop. > I'm not sure I understand what Adobe, Macromedia or Microsoft has > done that is against the law. You'd be surprised to see how far the law can go in pursuing civil code behavioral anomalies. You probably know very well that the main obstacle to progress in justice is the lack of jurisprudence. Once set by a case it generally leads to a tide of similar suits. In short, I think you know very well what Francis is trying to say. The fact that that is a current business practice doesn't make it candid. And doesn't mean that it should be like that forever. It's like the music Majors against Napster, remember? Those blue (painted) blooded, because they made billions for decades abusing the consumers, and often the artists, thought that it was a divine blessing and that should last forever against the will of the young population (youth rules!). OK, they found some parades and turnarounds, but there will be other waves of shock. I mean, we have a huge problem, the idea of retailing has superseded the idea of producing. No sufficient investment in creative production by the retailers. If we call business model just selling as much as you can using any kind of trick, that sounds pretty poor. This, not to say that what you, or Ronan, are saying is false. It is true. > Or are you simply saying that you believe those companies have some > kind of obligation to adopt and/or promote SVG in a particular way? > If so, why? I shouldn't answer to this, but here it is anyway: YES. Because of many valid arguments that I hope others will advance (eg. IBM business model as from a recent post), 'cause I'm on vacation for 15 days starting... now! Shame, because I would like to develop. Happy holidays to all. Domenico --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Francis, > > Before going too far out on a limb and running off your mouth about what the > W3C should or should not do, you might want to read up on what the W3C is. > > The W3C is not a public organization set up for the general good of society. > Far from it. It is a membership-based club for promoting technologies that > benefit the club participants. Within the W3C, competing groups fight to get > their ideas in and to keep competing ideas out. > > Instead of ranting into the wind about open-source development and complaining > about the free work others should do to help you earn money (ASV is free, and > you seem to be benefiting commercially from this, no?), maybe you should > consider one or more of the following options: > > 1) stop complaining, and work with the free tools provided to you find them, > taking responsibility for your own strategic errors in technological > dependency choices > > 2) join the W3C and try to change the future of SVG to your advantage > > 3) pay someone to build you an SVG browser that *you* can offer free to the > public domain. I'm sure you can get this done for 1/2 million Euro or less. > > 4) move on to another technology. Maybe start using Java applets, Flash, pdf, > or bitmap animations to show your data. Hey, you could even simply send it by > fax and forego both the W3C *and* ICANN. > > Cheers, > > Ronan > > On Saturday 17 December 2005 04:35, Francis Hemsher wrote: > > Hi Sherm, > > I guess you sent this as a statement from Adobe as a positive > > indication of their continuing support of SVG. > > > > The following quote from below "to meet the needs of customers and > > partners" tells me as, an open-source developer, to expect diddly > > from Adobe in the true future of SVG. > > > > In my opinion, they have every incentive to undermine SVG's success. > > Along with XAML the Camel, they used W3C to first establish the > > basis for their products, and then abandonded support of both XML > > and SVG to reduce open-source competition for their products. > > > > I think W3C should sue their butts for using and manipulating their > > technology, and providing no compensation. > > > > Francis > > > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Sherm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From the Adobe website > > > > http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia_faq.h > > tm > > > > > l > > > > > > How does Adobe's acquisition of Macromedia affect Adobe's support > > > > of > > > > > SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics)? > > > > > > Both Adobe and Macromedia have been part of the W3C working group > > > > that > > > > > defined the SVG-t specification. While Flash and Flash Lite have > > > gained critical momentum with customers and partners worldwide, > > > particularly in the fast-growing mobile market, we recognize that > > > > both > > > > > SVG and Flash have had success globally. As a result, Adobe will > > > continue to support the display of popular graphics standards, > > > including SVG-t and Flash, to meet the needs of customers and > > > > partners > > > > > worldwide. > > > > ----- > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- > > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my > > membership" ---- > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet > > access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How > > to format a computer hard drive > > > > > > YAHOO! 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