Now that Adobe has merged with Macromedia such that both SWF AND SVG are synonymous with Adobe, doesn't that muddy the waters of this debate?
Andreas Neumann wrote: > > Hi Reid, > > I am sort of sick to discuss swf vs. svg again and again. It was > discussed on this list a thousand times. Nevertheless I answer to > some of your arguments: > > > > Flash might a short-term solution to your problem, but it > requires a > > > plugin, > > > > It does, but the plugin seems to be ubiquitous: 95% have version 7 > > already, and 36% have version 9 which is only a couple of months > old. > > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/ > <http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/> > version_penetration.html > > > > I'd be curious to see other numbers, though. > > and what if Microsoft stops to bundle the Flash Player with Internet > Explorer because it doesn't like Adobes competition and it believes > that its own XML solution is the way to go? > > In that case the 95 percent penetration would suddenly drop to 30% > percent or so, whereas SVG will be natively supported in all major > browsers. > > > > its harder to generate, > > > > Do you mean that Adobe's tools are expensive payware? AFAICT, they > are > > for <= v8, but not for v9, and there are OSS tools (e.g. > openlaszlo.org). > > I think many of the Adobe products are reasonably priced, at least > for most of richer countries, certainly too expensive for poorer > countries. > > > Definitely true, but Adobe seems to be making a major commitment to > the > > platform, so I don't think there's any trouble in the works for the > > forseeable future. > > of course there is commitment from Adobe, because the more people > develop for their format, the more are locked into their tools. > Nothing from the open source or other companies comes close to Adobes > product when it comes to editing/creating swf content, so its > basically a lock-in. At least when you are a designer/multimedia > creator. > > Its also not open, because others companies can't contribute to the > development of the standard and there is no test suite. The only > reference seems to be the Flash player. What the flash player does is > right, if someone else disagrees, they are wrong. > > Of course the flash environment has its own advantages. There is no > doubt, that the flash market is more mature, the flashplayer more > performant and it has the much larger development community. > > But Flash is not accessible to a majority of the web, or can you > easily search through a flash file, see how the author implemented > it, copy parts of it, integrate easily with other W3C technology, > reformat the content to have a different representation of the same > content, apply multiple stylesheets to the same content, etc? > > Andreas > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
