Jim Leonard wrote:
>Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> >I'm really more concerned why people think the series is the best ever
> when
> >there are really only 3 standouts.
>
> Not standouts. Masterpieces.
>If it were a masterpiece then it would've sucked me into it's world and
not let
>me go. It didn't do that. :-) Maybe I just don't like
quasi-fantasy-british
>worlds.
You're just not into RPGs like "we" are, maybe. I know Ultima 6, Serpent
Isle and Ultima Martian Dreams did that to me.
> You don't understand. U1 was made in 1978, there was _nothing_ like that
in
>1979.
Thank you (and Hugh) for correcting me with the dates :)
> And none of them had spacetravelling! ;)
>See, this is my main beef with U1. Garriot took a gazillion things and
mashed
>them all into the game. What business does aliens and space travel have
in a
>fantasy RPG? This isn't Journeyman Project we're playing, here. It just
seems
>really amateurish. I've never been able to get past it.
Wizardry 6 and 7 have space travel too and everyone considers both great
RPGs. Might & Magic 3-6 have robots and space shuttles and similar stuff.
Also great RPGs.
I'm not saying it makes them better or worse games because of it. They're
great games, and the sci-fi elements don't ruin it.
> Seriously now, do you know any other saga with at least 3 masterpieces,
> that has lasted for 23 years?
>22 years, actually. And since U8 and U9 were crap, that's really where
the
>saga ended. And the length isn't fair; Wizardry 8 is coming out soon, and
that
>will make 21 years for it; does that make the series a masterpiece? Of
course
>not.
No, because almost each of the games had a different man behind it :)
Wizardry 8 will never be as good as 6 or 7 because these two had David W.
Bradley producing it.
> (And with such fantastic market value? $10000+ for an Akalabeth, $1250
for a CPC advertisement, $1000 for an
> Akalabeth CPC floppy only...)
>Well, the market value of them isn't something I'd label as "best of all
>time". Nazi paraphernalia routinely sells for thousands of dollars but I
>wouldn't call it "best collectable of its genre of all time", quite the
>opposite, it's despicable.
I agree 100% with you, but we're talking about computer games here :)
>My final point is that I don't think you can assign a label to it as
strong as
>"best RPG series of all time." There are millions more console people
than PC
>people who would argue against you because FF appeals to them more than
>Ultima. Would they be right, when console RPGs like Grandia have a better
>combat system? Of course not. But since they're the majority,
technically
>they're right. I agree it's a great series, and a few of them are
fantastic.
>But not best of all time -- because NOTHING can be best of all time.
I know that quantity doesn't make quality (or else Windows would be
considered a good OS, and McDonalds great food), but if the experts (people
that knw 99% of the RPGs created) like it, then it must be really good :)
>Wait, someone paid $1250 for an ADVERTISEMENT? Are they deranged? Stuff
like
>that shouldn't be auctioned, it should be properly scanned and preserved
and
>shared with everyone. Good grief.
Actually, Alexander Z�ller corrected me here. It was the cover art,
apparently it had some ads on the inside.
Hey, if people pay $600+ for Tal Rasha's armor, an item on the Diablo 2
addon, which means just a bunch of bytes on a server, nothing "touchable",
why can't you pay $1000+ for an ad? :)
And $10000+ for a single Akalabeth handsigned pre-CPC non-numbered floppy,
don't forget it (it is the only one in existance outside of Richard
Garriot's house)
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