On Sun, 22 May 2011 18:14:18 +0200 Hans J Nuecke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Chris, > sounds like we made kind of same experience (in matter and time ;-). Yeah. Our event horizons must be similar. ;o) > Thanks for closing the loop and the clarification; as expected: we > pretty much agree on most points... .. as all intellgent and logical people should do. > Have a nice Sunday evening in Malta Mixed weather here today, following a major super-cell last night. It can get interesting here sometimes. Regards, Chris. > Am 22.05.2011 13:04, schrieb Chris: > > Hallo Hans! ;o) > > > >> On Sun, 22 May 2011 12:10:57 +0200 > >> Hans J Nuecke<[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Chris, > >> first of all: I appreciate your well formulated answers and statements; > >> and in general I do agree to all of them. Including your latest reply on > >> Ralph's statement. > > Ein mann who sits on both sides of the fence! ( I am joking Hans, joking. > > ok? ) > > > >> And I really do not want to start a debate about Flash or HTML or > >> scribd or Apple. > > Neither do I. > > > >> I see that kind of "discussion" far too often in other blogs/forums; > >> waste of time. > > Indeed. > > > >> This email list is mainly focused on technical issues, what is good and > >> why I like it. > >> Here an attempt to clarify my personal position and opinion: > > Shoot! > > > >> I believe that every religion (and Apple for me is kind of religion) can > >> be dangerous, because real arguments don't count any more. > >> And therefore it is better to avoid discussions in that field (usually > >> ends up in bashing on Apple or Microsoft). > > Quite. It's not all bad. Both organisations have their good points. Both > > have done their fair share in pushing back boundaries, albeit in the > > pursuit of market share and profit! Their raison d'etre if you will - > > both are major corporations after all. > > > >> I think it never helps the think black and white (like forget FLASH, do > >> HTML5 now). > > Agreed. Both have their positive and negative points. Both are different > > protocols. They are not the same. But there is now some crossover. > > > >> I hate political tactics and abuse of power (see this as an example why: > >> http://unplugged.rcrwireless.com/index.php/20110520/news/9066/apple->begins-worlds-flimsiest-defense-in-app-store-trademark-dispute/) > > I know. The world of corporate litigation beggars belief sometimes. All > > this over the use of a three letter abbreviation. > > > >> I believe in the benefits of free and open competition; not forcing any > >> solutions against other technologies; let the market decide. > > We are not all made of the same metal my friend. Many are too easily > > swayed by advertising ( and possibly the odd backhander to two ). > > > >> I love choice: I'd like to pick and use the best solution (for me, for > >> certain applications and needs); pretty often it is FLASH, but HTNL5 is > >> promising. For me not as substitution but extension/addition to FLASH. > > Agreed. As I said, they are not the same, and thus not substitutes (IMHO). > > > >> Nobody knows where we'll be in 5 years from now. So openness and > >> flexibility is needed; and that is what makes fun and drives all of us > >> at the end. > > Couldn't agree more. But, many get sucked in, whether they like it or not. > > I remember all the fun back in the 80's with the likes of Clive Sinclair > > ( Sinclair Research ), Chris Currie ( Acorn ), Dr Johnson, Rainer and > > Tilbury ( Tangerine ). > > > >> So the main points Ralph made and I agree with are: > >> 1. Why spend efforts to substitute Flash when it still is an excellent > >> solution, and move over to HTML5 now (where it is not a full substitute; > >> yet?) > > There are a few Flash substitutes out there. Cooking away nicely. Players > > too - aka Gnash, Lightspark, Sliverlight, Moonlight. In some instances, as > > I'm sure you'll agree, Flash is most definitely and quite seriously flawed, > > and desperately needs sorting out. Hopefully, some of these alternatives > > will bridge-gap. > > > > Talking about flaws, I've always wondered if that's done deliberately. How > > many times has a great idea, or a great product, been scuppered just 'cos > > of a last minute botch. It's everywhere, from software to hardware. For > > example, from my system building days.. innovative motherboard design, > > great layout.. then, blow me.. there's that one flamin' socket or jumper > > right where it oughn't be. Yes, it still happens. > > > >> 2. Apples politics; especially the one to block FLASH. > >> > >> I tempt to be tolerant, and I do accept other opinions and systems, but > >> I dislike any kind of "force" ;-) > > All I'll comment is... Apple needs to pop it's head out of the corporate > > sand, just long enough to get a lungful of fresh air. They even find it > > beneficial to their health! ;o) > > > >> Thanks and regards > >> Hans > >> > > As they say in the country I currently reside it .. Lilek ukoll ( and the > > same to you ) > > > > Biss dan Hans! > > > > mfg, > > > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > >> On Sat, 21 May 2011 17:12:01 +0200 > >> Hans J Nuecke<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>> I couldn't agree more;-) > >>>> Regards > >>>> Hans > >> You would?? > >> > >> Go on. I'll buy it ( not! ). Tell me in your own words, exactly what it > >> is, that you are agreeing with Hans! > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> > >> Chris. > >> > >> > >> > >> Am 21.05.2011 18:07, schrieb Chris: > >>> Hi Raph, > >>> > >>>> On Sat, 21 May 2011 16:36:00 +0300 > >>>> Raph<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Hi Chris, > >>>> > >>>> All the message could be said that way: why trying to replace flash by > >>>> html when html is worse. > >>> I wasn't aware 'they' ( w3c? ) were trying to replace Flash? Merely > >>> extending html itself. With progress (?) always come glitches, be it > >>> hardware or software. But I'm sure those glitches will eventually be > >>> ironed out. > >>> > >>>> Ok to have degraded version for "non willing to be compatible" devices > >>>> but imposing it for all user is counter productive. > >>> There will always be those who don't, or point blank refuse to keep up > >>> with or otherwise meet current trends. Either because they can't really > >>> be bothered, or that their vision of the future is better! For those who > >>> follow trends 'just because' it's a keeping up with the Jones' sort of > >>> oneupmanship, the words sheep an lemmings spring to mind. ;o) > >>> > >>>> Also why converting a pdf version to a more verbose and less optimize > >>>> markup language, that hangs computers and lacks fidelity, when all the > >>>> flash conversions purpose is to be lighter faster and easier to > >>>> integrate in custom interfaces... > >>> That sounds a bit melodramatic if I may say so.. 'Beware, information > >>> overload. The end is Nigh!'. pdf is only one way of presenting one's > >>> information to the world. It is not the be all and end all. > >>> > >>>> Bringing apple into this conversation is logical because they are the > >>>> origin of these attempts to replace flash where it's still a lot better. > >>> Apple are as guilty of punishing standards as anyone else. Besides, for > >>> them, whatever is done is by necessity, usually integral to a forceful > >>> marketing strategy aimed at pushing the next 'must have' device. I am > >>> pleased to report that I don't have an 'i'-anything in my possession, > >>> nor in my sights. Nor will I probably be swayed by anything they produce. > >>> Just maybe it is I who is the visoneer? :o) > >>> > >>> All that said, I'm still a little confused as to what point of view you > >>> are > >>> actually trying to push forward. Simple terms for a simple man, maybe? > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> > >>> Chris. > >>> > >>>> Le 03/04/2011 09:30, Chris a écrit : > >>>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:05:34 +0300 > >>>>>> Raphaël Benzazon<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I hope the dev is moving ahead nicely. > >>>>> I think it is proceeding well. > >>>>> > >>>>>> I have to admit that the first and last scribd publication that I > >>>>>> visited > >>>>>> was making my powerful desktop PC hang. > >>>>> That could be caused by anything - user error? ;o) But why bring scribd > >>>>> into this? > >>>>> > >>>>>> It seems that the html is not the solution when it comes to reproduce > >>>>>> or > >>>>>> convert publication for internet. > >>>>> Sweeping statement. Not necessarily true either. Markup changes > >>>>> constantly. > >>>>> > >>>>>> It was so slow compared the the previous flash version, that was > >>>>>> painful to accept that scribd made such a bad technological choice. > >>>>> Again, not sure what that statement has to do with SWFTools. > >>>>> > >>>>>> Maybe they listen too much the the pseudo prohet Jobs. > >>>>> .. co-founder and CEO of consumer electronics company Apple Inc? ;o) > >>>>> What has he to do with all this? > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris ( retiring - not surprisedly - somewhat confused ) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Greetings > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Raphaël > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Le 09/05/2010 05:41, Matthias Kramm a écrit : > >>>>>>> On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 12:44:57PM +0200, filip > >>>>>>> sound<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Matthias, i can't believe all this... > >>>>>>>> are you serious? you want the browser to render complex > >>>>>>>> graphics/shapes/gradients and texts (pdf) all in html? > >>>>>>> Well, what Scribd currently does is text and bitmaps. > >>>>>>> Vector shapes (gradients etc.) are in my queue, problem is that > >>>>>>> cross-browser > >>>>>>> compatibilty of SVG, Canvas etc. is much worse than that of custom > >>>>>>> fonts. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the performance will > >>>>>>>> not be anything near the performance you get when running it on a > >>>>>>>> plugin > >>>>>>>> that has full access to the cpu. > >>>>>>> Why? The browser has full access to the CPU, too, after all. > >>>>>>> Also, Javascript engines have gotten ridiculously fast. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Matthias > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >> > >> -- > >> > >> ___________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> *Hans J. Nuecke* / Gorch-Fock-Str. 6 . 81827 Muenchen . Germany / > >> *VservU GmbH* > >> Home: +49 (89) 45344858 office: > >> +49 (89) 43906 707 > >> mobile: +49 (173) 5392957 Skype: > >> hnuecke > >> private: [email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]> business: [email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> commercial: www.vservu.com<http://vservu.com> technical: > >> www.megazine3.de<http://megazine3.de> > >> Munich HRB 181251 Geschäftsführer: Hans J. Nücke USt-Id: > >> DE266694113 > >> ___________________________________________________________________ > >> > > > > > -- > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > *Hans J. 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