On Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 01:54 PM, Tim Vermeulen wrote:
> 
> > On 28 Sep 2016, at 22:46, Kevin Ballard <ke...@sb.org> wrote:
> > 
> > That's a bunch of complexity for no benefit. Why would you ever use this as 
> > a collection?
> 
> I think there is a benefit. Something like `collection.indexed().reversed()` 
> would benefit from that, and I think that could be useful.

Perhaps, though you could just say `collection.reversed().indexed()` instead.

> > The whole point is to be used in a for loop. If it was a collection then 
> > you'd need to have an index for that collection, so now you have an index 
> > that lets you get the index for another collection, which is pretty useless 
> > because you could just be using that underlying index to begin with.
> 
> Rather than introducing a new index for this, we can simply use the index of 
> the base collection for subscripting.

That's actually a good idea, and if we do make it a collection this is probably 
how we should handle it. But I still argue that the ability to make something a 
collection doesn't mean it should be a collection, if there's no good reason 
for anyone to actually try to use it as such.

 -Kevin

> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 01:38 PM, Tim Vermeulen via swift-evolution wrote:
> >> +1 for `indexed()`, but I’m not sure about `IndexedSequence`. Why not 
> >> `IndexedCollection`, which could also conform to Collection? With 
> >> conditional conformances to BidirectionalCollection and 
> >> RandomAccessCollection. This wouldn’t penalise the performance with 
> >> respect to a simple `IndexedSequence`, would it?
> >> 
> >>> Gist here:https://gist.github.com/erica/2b2d92e6db787d001c689d3e37a7c3f2
> >>> 
> >>> Introducingindexed()collections
> >>> Proposal: TBD
> >>> Author:Erica Sadun(https://github.com/erica),Nate 
> >>> Cook(https://github.com/natecook1000),Jacob 
> >>> Bandes-Storch(https://github.com/jtbandes),Kevin 
> >>> Ballard(https://github.com/kballard)
> >>> Status: TBD
> >>> Review manager: TBD
> >>> 
> >>> Introduction
> >>> 
> >>> This proposal introducesindexed()to the standard library, a method on 
> >>> collections that returns an (index, element) tuple sequence.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Swift-evolution thread:TBD(https://gist.github.com/erica/tbd)
> >>> 
> >>> Motivation
> >>> 
> >>> The standard library'senumerated()method returns a sequence of pairs 
> >>> enumerating a sequence. The pair's first member is a monotonically 
> >>> incrementing integer starting at zero, and the second member is the 
> >>> corresponding element of the sequence. When working with arrays, the 
> >>> integer is coincidentally the same type and value as anArrayindex but the 
> >>> enumerated value is not generated with index-specific semantics. This may 
> >>> lead to confusion when developers attempt to subscript a non-array 
> >>> collection with enumerated integers. It can introduce serious bugs when 
> >>> developers useenumerated()-based integer subscripting with non-zero-based 
> >>> array slices.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Indices have a specific, fixed meaning in Swift, which are used to create 
> >>> valid collection subscripts. This proposal introducesindexed()to produce 
> >>> a more semantically relevant sequence by pairing a 
> >>> collection'sindiceswith its members. While it is trivial to create a 
> >>> solution in Swift, the most common developer approach shown here 
> >>> calculates indexes twice:
> >>> 
> >>> extension Collection {   /// Returns a sequence of pairs (*idx*, *x*), 
> >>> where *idx* represents a   /// consecutive collection index, and *x* 
> >>> represents an element of   /// the sequence.   func indexed() 
> >>> ->Zip2Sequence<Self.Indices, Self>{     return zip(indices, self)   } }
> >>> 
> >>> Incrementing an index in some collections can be unnecessarily costly. In 
> >>> a lazy filtered collection, an index increment is potentially O(N). We 
> >>> feel this is better addressed introducing a new function into the 
> >>> Standard Library to provide a more efficient design that avoids the 
> >>> attractive nuisance of the "obvious" solution.
> >>> 
> >>> Detailed Design
> >>> 
> >>> Our vision ofindexed()bypasses duplicated index generation with their 
> >>> potentially high computation costs. We'd create an iterator that 
> >>> calculates each index once and then applies that index to subscript the 
> >>> collection. Implementation would take place throughIndexedSequence, 
> >>> similar toEnumeratedSequence.
> >>> 
> >>> Impact on Existing Code
> >>> 
> >>> This proposal is purely additive and has no impact on existing code.
> >>> 
> >>> Alternatives Considered
> >>> Not yet
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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