> On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Vladimir.S via swift-evolution > <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote: > > I do understand that core team is very busy, but I hope they'll find a minute > to reply in couple of words to this message. Even "we are still thinking > about this" would be great. Of course any other's opinion is also very > welcome.
It’s going to take a whole lot more than a minute to reply, but I’ll try! > > I think we all need some clarification about function types in Swift 4, > especially in light of recent hot discussion of reverting of SE-0110, which > raised a couple of questions that IMO should be answered before Swift 4 is > released or is in final stage, and I can't see any clear answer from core > team regarding the subject. > (If I missed something - sorry, please point me) > > The main question I have : Will *type* of function taking a list of arguments > be the same as type of function taking one tuple argument? The intent is “no”. Swift only ever had a poor approximation of this model, and has been moving away from it because lots of things we want for function parameters—inout parameters, ownership-related calling convention, autoclosures, non escaping function parameters, separate argument label/parameter names, different argument-label-matching rules, default arguments, variadic parameters—don’t really make sense for tuples. You can sorta squint at some of those and find a way to make them work generally with tuples, but it’s never all going to fit. They’re different notions, and they don’t belong together. > Then, what code can prove/show that these *types* are different and not the > same ? Here’s a simple case based on your example below: func f(_: Int, _: Int) { } // #1 func f(_: (Int, Int)) { } // #2 f(1, 2) // calls #1 f((1, 2)) // calls #2 Amusingly, this changed behavior from Swift 3.1 to Swift 3.2 (!). Swift 3.1 would call #1 for both cases! IIRC, earlier versions of Swift would reject the overloading of “f” and crash. There are numerous other ways to show this, but calling an overloaded function is an easy one. > Answers to these question can show what situation we'll have with function > types in Swift 4 and for very long period after Swift 4. > Seems like strange question as we know obvious answer, but as I understand, > the answer is not so obvious. > > As I understand, if we'll still have > 'type(of: funcOfOneTuple) == type(of: funcOfArgList)' == true The underlying implementation model of the compiler still makes this true, yes. > (as we have even in current snapshot of Swift 4) - we are going to have > broken type system for function types for very long time(when we'll be > allowed for source breaking changes after Swift 4?) > > I was told that Swift can have some bugs in this area currently and after > Swift 4 release, but don't worry, they'll be just fixed in some point of time > after Swift 4. The Swift compiler *will* have bugs in this area. Yes, they will need to be fixed. > But I insist, we are not talking about _bugs_, but about allowed syntax and > code behavior, that can't be 'just' fixed without breaking some sources(and > again probably in places where was not expected). Also, it's weird that these > long-running "bugs" will still exists in Swift 4(and so, for long period > after it) while SE-0066 and SE-0110 was accepted to be implemented in *Swift > 3*. Yes, fixing these bugs can affect source compatibility. Compatibility modes (like Swift 3.2 in the Swift 4.0 compiler) and migration tools (as with 3.2 -> 4.0) make it possible to make improvements over time. Swift 3.2 emulates Swift 3 quite well, given that the compiler saw some major representational changes internally. > > I'll try to illustrate what I mean and why asking exactly that question. > > Given: > func fooParam(_ x: Int, _ y: Int){} > func fooTuple(_ x: (Int, Int)) {} > > func fooEmpty() {} > func fooVoid(_: Void) {} > > currently, in Swift 4 snapshot we have this: > > * type(of: fooTuple) // (Int,Int)->() > * type(of:fooParam) == type(of:fooTuple) // true > * fooParam is ((Int,Int))->() // true > * fooTuple is (Int,Int)->() // true > > * let foo : (Int,Int)->() = fooTuple > foo(1,2) // fooTuple called with 2 > arguments > > * let bar : ((Int,Int))->() = fooParam > bar((1,2)) // fooParam called with 1 tuple > arg > > * type(of: fooEmpty) == type(of: fooVoid) // true > * fooVoid is ()->() // true > * fooEmpty is (_: Void)->() // true > > * let foo : ()->() = fooVoid > foo() // fooVoid called with > no () arg > > * let bar : (_: Void)->() = fooEmpty > bar(()) // fooEmpty called with () arg > sent > > While in some cases you can't use fooParam where fooTuple is expected, but > seems like underlying type of each is the same, so in other cases you can and > this _will_ be used in code and can't be "fixed" without breaking some > sources. As noted above, the types are the same deep in the compiler. That will change, and the code you write above will behind differently (correctly) in Swift N+1, with some source compatibility work to maintain source compatibility and migrate forward. > Also, this raises a question : if the type is the same, why we can't freely > use closure of type fooParam if fooTuple is expected. And how SE-0066 and > SE-0110 in this case could be considered as fully implemented in Swift 4. SE-0066 and SE-0110 aren’t fully implemented; we’ll be pulling them back to a “partially implemented” state to try to better reflect that. - Doug _______________________________________________ swift-evolution mailing list swift-evolution@swift.org https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution