> On Oct 13, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Xiaodi Wu <xiaodi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Kevin Nattinger <sw...@nattinger.net 
> <mailto:sw...@nattinger.net>> wrote:
>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:52 AM, Xiaodi Wu <xiaodi...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:xiaodi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> You’re welcome to bikeshed the entire API surface area of sequences and 
>> collections, but you won’t be the first to explore this area. A number of us 
>> looked into this area in the past few years and did not reach a measurable 
>> improved result.
> 
> I don’t need or want to bikeshed the entire sequence and collection surface 
> area, I just want to fix one clear and GLARING issue:
> 
> A Set is NOT a sequence.
> 
> Note that this goes for dictionaries and any other unordered “sequences" as 
> well.
> 
> That was in an early draft of my original email, but I dropped it because I 
> was afraid people would just stop reading and dismiss the idea out-of-hand 
> without considering the problem or arguments. Apparently I should have at 
> least put it at the bottom, so sorry if the root issue was unclear.
> 
>> Sequences can be ordered or unordered,
> 
> You seem to be confusing the English word “sequence” with the (current) Swift 
> protocol “Sequence." A sequence is, by definition, ordered. Not enforcing 
> that in a protocol does not override the English language, and as this entire 
> thread demonstrates, causes issues further on down the line.
> 
> We are discussing the Swift protocol `Sequence`. It really doesn't matter at 
> all what the English word "sequence" means, and any difference between the 
> English word and the Swift term is emphatically *not* the root cause of the 
> issue. Here's why:
> 
> * A Swift `Sequence` is, to put it simplistically, a thing that can be 
> iterated over in a `for...in` loop. If it would make you happy, for the rest 
> of the discussion, let's suppose we called the protocol `ForLoopable` instead 
> of `Sequence`.

ForLoopable is so ugly. Since we’re just iterating over the elements, how 
about, oh, say, `Iterable`? Hey, that looks familiar.

> 
> * `Set` should conform to `ForLoopable`. (This I state as a premise; if you 
> disagree with the notion that we should be able to iterate over the elements 
> of an instance of `Set` with a `for...in loop`, then it's clearly a whole 
> other discussion and not a question of what the English word "sequence" 
> means.)

Obviously, `Set: Iterable`. I don’t think I’ve said anything to suggest you 
shouldn’t be able to iterate over unordered collections.

> 
> * If a type `T` conforms to `ForLoopable` and an instance `t` of that type 
> has at least one element, then *something* has to be the first element in a 
> `for element in t { ... }` loop. Put another way, every instance of a type 
> that conforms to `ForLoopable` must have at least one publicly observable 
> order (although, intriguingly, I'm not sure it has to be a repeatable one). 
> It is possible, therefore, to have a semantic answer to the question of which 
> element is `first` or (if finite) `last`; one can also `drop(while:)`, etc., 
> and perform lexicographical comparisons.

As a side effect of Swift being a procedural language each iteration happens to 
occur in some order, yes, but that order is meaningless and reflects nothing 
about the Set itself.  In fact, I’d say that `first`, `last`, etc. are not even 
defined on the original Set per se, only on the specific order that a 
particular iteration resulted in. And that order is not necessarily 
predictable, nor necessarily stable, as you yourself said.

Consider an Iterable that gives a different order every time it’s iterated. 
Should calling `.first` or `last` give a different object every time?  That’s 
absurd.
Should an object lexicographically compare not equal to itself? Even more 
absurd. 

On the other hand, if I have a collection of objects that I want iterated in a 
particular order, I can use a container that iterates in a specific, known, 
well-defined way, and use that to construct the sequence of objects.  That’s 
clearly an Iterable collection, but the guarantee is stronger than that. Since 
it iterates objects in a specific sequence, the logical way to express that 
would be `Sequence: Iterable`. Again, we’ve seen that before.  

Now, since a Sequence is guaranteed to iterate the same every time, suddenly 
our `first`, `last`, `drop*`, etc. methods have a meaning inherent to the 
collection itself, rather than a specific iteration. 
`first` is the first object in the Sequence. It doesn’t matter how the sequence 
came to be in that order; it doesn’t matter whether or not the sequence has 
already been iterated or how many times. `first` is the first object that is, 
was, and always will be presented by the Sequence’s Iterator. (Until the 
collection is mutated, obviously).

To summarize,
A Set has no intrinsic order. You can iterate over it, and a specific iteration 
of a set has an order, but that order is not tied to the Set itself beyond 
including all and only the items therein. Therefore, the Set itself has no 
intrinsic `first`, `last`, lexicographical comparison, etc.; only its 
iterations do, and they are not themselves Sets.
A Sequence does have an intrinsic order. The order of iteration reflects the 
order inherent to the Sequence. Therefore, a Sequence has a `first`, `last`, 
lexicographical comparison, etc.

Just in case it’s not obvious, `Set` here is pretty much interchangeable with 
any other unordered iterable.

>> public protocol Iterable {
>>   associatedtype Iterator: IteratorProtocol
>>   func map<T>(...) -> [T] // Iterable where .Iterator.Element == T
>>   func filter(...) -> [Iterator.Element] // Iterable where .Iterator.Element 
>> == Self.Iterator.Element
>>   func forEach(...)
>>   func makeIterator() -> Iterator
>>   var underestimatedCount: Int { get }
>> }
>> 
>> public protocol Sequence: Iterable { // Maybe OrderedSequence just to make 
>> the well-defined-order requirement explicit
>>   associatedtype SubSequence
>>   func dropFirst(...)   -> SubSequence   // Sequence where .Iterator.Element 
>> == Self.Iterator.Element
>>   func dropLast(...)    -> SubSequence   //    " "
>>   func drop(while...)   -> SubSequence   //    " "
>>   func prefix(...)      -> SubSequence   //    " "
>>   func prefix(while...) -> SubSequence   //    " "
>>   func suffix(...)      -> SubSequence   //    " "
>>   func split(...where...)  -> [SubSequence] // Iterable where 
>> .Iterator.Element == (Sequence where .Iterator.Element == 
>> Self.Iterator.Element)
>> }


And just to be explicit, 
struct Set: Iterable {…}
struct Dictionary: Iterable {…}
struct Array: Sequence {…}
etc.

Hopefully at some point:
struct OrderedSet: Sequence {…}

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