I agree with Tobias' distinction between the two different types of semantic wikis. I work for a company that also produces what we consider to be a semantic wiki, but we have no notion of annotations in the SMW-sense. According to Tobias' suggested criterion:
> - non-formal content enriched with semantic annotations (here the > SWikiFeat-properties make sense) > - formal (i.e. semantic) content, possibly enriched with non-formal > annotations (here the > SWikiFeat-properties don't make sense) we would fall into the second category. In this category, a few relevant criterion might be: - read/write abilities vs. read only of semantic content - permission model - import/export of semantic content, both ontology and instance data - SPARQL endpoint or not - visualization styles for semantic content These are just the first things came to mind. Hopefully they are general enough for most semantic wikis in which the wiki portion is used to enrich the semantic content, but they may be more specific to my product than I realize. I'd be glad to update the wiki if you like. Mike Lang > Another criterion could be the conceptual level where the semantics are > applied: > > - domain level (semantic information about the domain itself) > - meta level (semantic information about authors, versions, etc.) > - both > > What do you think? > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:00 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Semantic Wiki Feature Matrix (Max Voelkel) > 2. Re: Semantic Wiki Feature Matrix (Tobias Kuhn) > 3. Re: Semantic Wiki Feature Matrix (Denny Vrande?i?) > 4. Re: Semantic Wiki Feature Matrix (Tobias Kuhn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:10:30 +0100 > From: "Max Voelkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [swikig] Semantic Wiki Feature Matrix > To: swikig@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi all, > > at > > http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Semantic_Wiki_State_Of_The_Art#Wiki_Feature_Matrix > we have a nice SMW-generated semantic wiki feature matrix. However, there > are still a lot of entries missing > > If you are a semantic wiki engine author or fan, consider adding more > details about your engine. This way, users can better find the right engine > for the right task. > > Editing is performed by editing the wiki engine page, see the example of > Artificial Memory at > http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Artificial_Memory > > Kind Regards, > > Max V?lkel > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://Xam.de > -- > FZI Forschungszentrum Informatik an der Universit?t Karlsruhe > Haid-und-Neu-Str. 10-14, D-76131 Karlsruhe > Tel.: +49-721-9654-0, Fax: +49-721-9654-959 > Stiftung des b?rgerlichen Rechts, Az: 14-0563.1 Regierungspr?sidium > Karlsruhe. > Vorstand: Prof. Dr.-Ing. R?diger Dillmann, Dipl. Wi.-Ing. Michael Flor > Prof. Dr. Dr.-Ing. Jivka Ovtcharova, Prof. Dr. rer. nat. Rudi Studer > Vorsitzender des Kuratoriums: Ministerialdirigent G?nther Le?nerkraus > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/pipermail/swikig/attachments/20081107/eb9b01be/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:01:49 +0100 > From: Tobias Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [swikig] Semantic Wiki Feature Matrix > To: Max Voelkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: swikig@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hi Max, > > It's certainly a good thing to have such an overview over the existing > semantic wikis. > > However, I don't really like these SWikiFeat-properties. They are not > general enough to be applied > to all types of semantic wikis. > > The properties SubjectAttribution, SubjectGranularity, ObjectType, and > Context assume that the > semantic wiki uses some kind of annotations. However, there are semantic > wikis that have no notion > of an "annotation". The properties ImportInstances, ImportTerminology, and > Export are somehow > focussed on RDF and are mostly about instance data. I think that such > import and export features > should be defined in a much more general way. Finally, I don't completely > understand the definitions > of RepresentationDistinction, TerminologyReuse, and ClassModel. In the case > of TerminologyReuse, > yourself stated that you don't understand it. :) > > For those reasons, I failed to classify my wiki. And I can imagine that I > am not the only one. > > > Tobias > > > > Max Voelkel wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > at > > > http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Semantic_Wiki_State_Of_The_Art#Wiki_Feature_Matrix > > we have a nice SMW-generated semantic wiki feature matrix. However, > > there are still a lot of entries missing > > > > If you are a semantic wiki engine author or fan, consider adding more > > details about your engine. This way, users can better find the right > > engine for the right task. > > > > Editing is performed by editing the wiki engine page, see the example > > of Artificial Memory at > > http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Artificial_Memory > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Max V?lkel > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://Xam.de > > -- > > FZI Forschungszentrum Informatik an der Universit?t Karlsruhe > > Haid-und-Neu-Str. 10-14, D-76131 Karlsruhe > > Tel.: +49-721-9654-0, Fax: +49-721-9654-959 > > Stiftung des b?rgerlichen Rechts, Az: 14-0563.1 Regierungspr?sidium > > Karlsruhe. > > Vorstand: Prof. Dr.-Ing. R?diger Dillmann, Dipl. Wi.-Ing. Michael Flor > > Prof. Dr. Dr.-Ing. Jivka Ovtcharova, Prof. Dr. rer. nat. Rudi Studer > > Vorsitzender des Kuratoriums: Ministerialdirigent G?nther Le?nerkraus > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > swikig mailing list > > swikig@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de > > http://www.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/mailman/listinfo/swikig > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:09:54 +0100 > From: Denny Vrande?i? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [swikig] Semantic Wiki Feature Matrix > To: Tobias Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Max Voelkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, swikig@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Now that may become an interesting start to what is a semantic wiki and > what are the features used to distinguish them (i) from other software > and (ii) among themselves. > > Tobias, would you try to come up with a set of attributes that you'd > consider better than the existing ones? Either in mail discussion, or > directly in the wiki. > > Cheers, > denny > > Tobias Kuhn wrote: > > Hi Max, > > > > It's certainly a good thing to have such an overview over the existing > semantic wikis. > > > > However, I don't really like these SWikiFeat-properties. They are not > general enough to be applied > > to all types of semantic wikis. > > > > The properties SubjectAttribution, SubjectGranularity, ObjectType, and > Context assume that the > > semantic wiki uses some kind of annotations. However, there are semantic > wikis that have no notion > > of an "annotation". The properties ImportInstances, ImportTerminology, > and Export are somehow > > focussed on RDF and are mostly about instance data. I think that such > import and export features > > should be defined in a much more general way. Finally, I don't completely > understand the definitions > > of RepresentationDistinction, TerminologyReuse, and ClassModel. In the > case of TerminologyReuse, > > yourself stated that you don't understand it. :) > > > > For those reasons, I failed to classify my wiki. And I can imagine that I > am not the only one. > > > > > > Tobias > > > > > > > > Max Voelkel wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> at > >> > http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Semantic_Wiki_State_Of_The_Art#Wiki_Feature_Matrix > >> we have a nice SMW-generated semantic wiki feature matrix. However, > >> there are still a lot of entries missing > >> > >> If you are a semantic wiki engine author or fan, consider adding more > >> details about your engine. This way, users can better find the right > >> engine for the right task. > >> > >> Editing is performed by editing the wiki engine page, see the example > >> of Artificial Memory at > >> http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Artificial_Memory > >> > >> Kind Regards, > >> > >> Max V?lkel > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://Xam.de > >> -- > >> FZI Forschungszentrum Informatik an der Universit?t Karlsruhe > >> Haid-und-Neu-Str. 10-14, D-76131 Karlsruhe > >> Tel.: +49-721-9654-0, Fax: +49-721-9654-959 > >> Stiftung des b?rgerlichen Rechts, Az: 14-0563.1 Regierungspr?sidium > >> Karlsruhe. > >> Vorstand: Prof. Dr.-Ing. R?diger Dillmann, Dipl. Wi.-Ing. Michael Flor > >> Prof. Dr. Dr.-Ing. Jivka Ovtcharova, Prof. Dr. rer. nat. Rudi Studer > >> Vorsitzender des Kuratoriums: Ministerialdirigent G?nther Le?nerkraus > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> swikig mailing list > >> swikig@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de > >> http://www.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/mailman/listinfo/swikig > > > > _______________________________________________ > > swikig mailing list > > swikig@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de > > http://www.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/mailman/listinfo/swikig > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:47:15 +0100 > From: Tobias Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [swikig] Semantic Wiki Feature Matrix > To: Denny Vrande?i? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Max Voelkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, swikig@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Ok. Before starting to define concrete features, it's probably good to > agree on a general > classification of semantic wikis. One criterion could be the structure of > the content of the wiki: > > - non-formal content enriched with semantic annotations (here the > SWikiFeat-properties make sense) > - formal (i.e. semantic) content, possibly enriched with non-formal > annotations (here the > SWikiFeat-properties don't make sense) > > Another criterion could be the conceptual level where the semantics are > applied: > > - domain level (semantic information about the domain itself) > - meta level (semantic information about authors, versions, etc.) > - both > > What do you think? > > > Tobias > > > > Denny Vrande?i? wrote: > > Now that may become an interesting start to what is a semantic wiki and > > what are the features used to distinguish them (i) from other software > > and (ii) among themselves. > > > > Tobias, would you try to come up with a set of attributes that you'd > > consider better than the existing ones? Either in mail discussion, or > > directly in the wiki. > > > > Cheers, > > denny > > > > Tobias Kuhn wrote: > >> Hi Max, > >> > >> It's certainly a good thing to have such an overview over the existing > semantic wikis. > >> > >> However, I don't really like these SWikiFeat-properties. They are not > general enough to be applied > >> to all types of semantic wikis. > >> > >> The properties SubjectAttribution, SubjectGranularity, ObjectType, and > Context assume that the > >> semantic wiki uses some kind of annotations. However, there are semantic > wikis that have no notion > >> of an "annotation". The properties ImportInstances, ImportTerminology, > and Export are somehow > >> focussed on RDF and are mostly about instance data. I think that such > import and export features > >> should be defined in a much more general way. Finally, I don't > completely understand the definitions > >> of RepresentationDistinction, TerminologyReuse, and ClassModel. In the > case of TerminologyReuse, > >> yourself stated that you don't understand it. :) > >> > >> For those reasons, I failed to classify my wiki. And I can imagine that > I am not the only one. > >> > >> > >> Tobias > >> > >> > >> > >> Max Voelkel wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> at > >>> > http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Semantic_Wiki_State_Of_The_Art#Wiki_Feature_Matrix > >>> we have a nice SMW-generated semantic wiki feature matrix. However, > >>> there are still a lot of entries missing > >>> > >>> If you are a semantic wiki engine author or fan, consider adding more > >>> details about your engine. This way, users can better find the right > >>> engine for the right task. > >>> > >>> Editing is performed by editing the wiki engine page, see the example > >>> of Artificial Memory at > >>> http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Artificial_Memory > >>> > >>> Kind Regards, > >>> > >>> Max V?lkel > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://Xam.de > >>> -- > >>> FZI Forschungszentrum Informatik an der Universit?t Karlsruhe > >>> Haid-und-Neu-Str. 10-14, D-76131 Karlsruhe > >>> Tel.: +49-721-9654-0, Fax: +49-721-9654-959 > >>> Stiftung des b?rgerlichen Rechts, Az: 14-0563.1 Regierungspr?sidium > >>> Karlsruhe. > >>> Vorstand: Prof. Dr.-Ing. R?diger Dillmann, Dipl. Wi.-Ing. Michael Flor > >>> Prof. Dr. Dr.-Ing. Jivka Ovtcharova, Prof. Dr. rer. nat. 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