On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Andrew Thule <thules...@gmail.com> wrote: > Greg, respectfully you're still missing the point. > > Because a work is Copyright, doesn't grant Crosswire the right to inform me > of anything, since CrossWire is not the CopyRight owner.
Correct. Nor does it mean CrossWire is required to inform you of anything - such as its own license agreement. > > It is only if the Copyright Owner grants Crosswire rights (and restrictions) > though the use of a license to use the Copyright work that CrossWire has any > legal obligations at all. Yes, and CrossWire has a private agreement with the ISV publishers to publish the ISV text in its module. > > The ISV's copyright found here: > http://www.isv.org/legal.php CrossWire's private agreement with the publisher applies beyond these general rights to CrossWire's use of the text. The above rights apply to your use of the text. And to mine. And to DM's. And to Chris Little's. And to Peter's. Unless one of us has acquired a separate agreement, none of us may distribute or use the ISV text in any way other than what is detailed at http://www.isv.org/legal.php. CrossWire is not limited to the text of that URL because it has been granted exception to that general clause. You have not, and thus may not offer the text anymore than I may do so because I have not gained permission. Even if I am working on a module for CrossWire, under CrossWire's auspices, I am not permitted to publish a copy of that myself. This is exactly what you have done. Last year I had in my possession about 1000 modules under Copyright by different people and organizations. The intention was that these modules would be transformed into SWORD modules for the organization that had rights to do this. Despite being a part of that organization as a volunteer, I was not able to send copies of the modules to Troy or Karl or Chris or anyone else when I ran into problems because none of them are members of that organization. Once the conversion was completed, I was not permitted to send a copy of those modules to the QA and test people because I am not that organization. Since I'm not actively working on those modules any longer I have removed them from my local machines so that even my personal friends that I grant SSH access to my home computer would not inadvertently acquire copies of them. All because I had no right to distribute those modules any more than you had a right to distribute the ISV. I never had to see that organization's specific agreement with each publisher for each of those 1000 works to know that I, as a private individual, am not governed by the private agreement that organization has with each publisher. But for some reason you think you need to know the text of a private agreement to know that your use is governed by Copyright law. Let me provide you a good rule-of-thumb, so you can avoid making a fool of yourself again in the future: If you have not received a notice - specific like CrossWire's or generic like the one on the ISV's website - from the Copyright holder granting you permission to distribute a work then you do not have permission to distribute that work to anyone for any purpose. Yes, there are some exceptions to this, but you've already proven you don't know what those exceptions are or when they apply to you. > > Doesn't say anything about Crosswire's right to control how I distribute ISV > text. If I am bound by the ISV's agreement only than if I abide by the > terms of that agreement I can do anything the agreement allows me to do, and > Crosswire has no say in the matter. CrossWire has no right to control your distribution of the ISV text. We're not asserting we have that right. We're trying to tell you that you also don't have that right nor do you have a right to distribute it (unless you're hiding from us the fact that you have negotiated distribution rights, in which case I apologize for being wrong and I'm sure everyone else here would as well). We can't control your distribution - only the Copyright holder can do so through the proper legal channels. > > However, because Crosswire is playing a role in the development of modules, > I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that Crosswire has 'license' to use the ISV > as Copyright work, which means I am not bound by what is at the ISV site, > but by the agreement Crosswire has with ISV. It does have that right. Are you CrossWire? No. So why would you assume that CrossWire's right extended to you? > > If CrossWire has no such agreements, I woudln't be touching any Copyrighted > work for fear of the legal liabilities involved. It does have that right. Do you? Because that's what actually the issue here. > > Either Crosswire has Lisenses covering each Copyright work it deals with, or > it does. If it doesn't there are larger problems than me sharing a module. > If its does, those terms must be passed on with the work (under copyright > law). Multiple people have assured you that CrossWire is very careful to have such licenses. If you are acting as an agent of a Copyright holder and present the proper requirements then CrossWire will produce proof of that license. But none of that has an affect on whether or not you have a right to deal with the ISV in the way you did. --Greg _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page