On Jan 5, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Dustin Whittle wrote:

> What is the status of the symfony-forge.com application? Is the source
> checked in somewhere we can collaborate? If so, who has time and  
> what else
> needs to be done?

This would be incredibly useful.  I realize that a lot of people work  
on sf in their spare time so I can imagine an endeavor as large as sf- 
forge might be one of those side-projects that ends up being pushed  
out months at a time.  But let's get some of that community effort  
going.  I'd gladly work on some of it.  I'd even be willing to see if  
my employer would be willing to help out some how.

> Also, I think we should be getting rid of plugins that simply wrap  
> another
> library, but do not provide any added functionality. Instead I  
> think we
> should create twiki pages for current best of breed third party  
> libraries.
> For example on how to use Swift Mailer for sending email, or using  
> zend
> framework web services.

I've got mixed feelings about this.  In some cases like sfZendPlugin  
where it was strictly an external link it made sense to axe it -  
although you're right their is a benefit of having someone else  
managing a package and keeping things up to date.

But there's a gray line.  Some plugins go a step further and really  
make an effort to not just take the library, but also repackage it in  
a meaningful way.  In a way its like some of the better maintained  
debian packages.

The biggest problem is their needs to be some quality checks on these  
plugins.  Speaking to what I said above, a lot of these open source  
projects are spare time activities, and it's easy for a maintainer to  
not keep up with plugins.  sfZendPlugin is pretty useless if it links  
to an old crusty version of the ZendFramework, etc, etc.


> Maybe not, maybe plugins are a way of keeping versions up to date  
> (upgrading
> pear packages vs svn:externals management).


I'm a fan of svn over pear, it's one less tool to use.

Dave Dash




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