Hi list, Long story short, I believe there are two problems with journald: 1) journald gets stuck in an infinte loop, trying to send the message "Dropping message, as we can't find a place to store the data" to somewhere -- occurs in v44 and v183 (Arch Linux)
2) A journald problem can effectively lock up the whole system. I agree that reliable logging is a worthwhile goal, but it shouldn't compromise the reliability of the whole system. Are there any plans to address this failure mode? I'm sure there are other ways how journald can get stuck -- attaching a debugger or trying to write to a crashed hard drive or network file system for instance. I'll see if I can figure out a temporary solution for #1 to get my computer back :) ---- Rant version: Last night, I noticed my desktop computer (still using systemd v44) spinning up its fans for no apparent reason. A quick inspection with htop revealed that systemd-journald was using 100% CPU. Soon enough the system became unusable entirely; I couldn't launch any more terminals and current ones were stuck at "sudo", nor could I ssh in. I presume everything was blocked behing logging. Today I upgraded to systemd v183, rebooted, and after logging in the same happened again. I managed to capture an strace snippet: stat("/etc/localtime", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2175, ...}) = 0 sendmsg(5, {msg_name(29)={sa_family=AF_FILE, sun_path="/run/systemd/journal/syslog"}, msg_iov(5)=[{"<44>", 4}, {"May 28 19:39:32 ", 16}, {"systemd-journald", 16}, {": ", 2}, {"Dropping message, as we can't find a place to store the data.", 61}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, MSG_NOSIGNAL) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) uname({sys="Linux", node="newn", ...}) = 0 writev(6, [{"<44>", 4}, {"systemd-journald", 16}, {"[1352]: ", 8}, {"Dropping message, as we can't find a place to store the data.", 61}, {"\n", 1}], 5) = 90 Removing /var/log/journal/* didn't help -- journald created new files and got stuck again. Killing journald didn't help either -- of course systemd launched it up again. In desperation, I typed "systemctl stop systemd-journald.socket" and systemd helpfully stopped my whole system. :) Another reboot and now gdm and text consoles freeze when attempting to log in. Dunno how I managed to log in before. Regards, Marti _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel