Lennart Poettering posted on Mon, 16 Jun 2014 00:43:34 +0200 as excerpted: >> > At least here, I interpreted that remark as primarily sarcastic >> > commentary on the systemd devs' apparent attitude, which can be >> > (controversially) summarized as: "Systemd doesn't have problems >> > because it's perfect. Therefore, any problems you have with systemd >> > must instead be with other components which systemd depends on." >> >> Come on, sorry, but this is fud. Really... ;-) > > Interestingly, I never commented on anything in this area, and neither > did anybody else from the systemd side afaics. THe entire btrfs defrag > thing i wasn't aware of before this thread started on the system ML a > few days ago. I am not sure where you take your ideas about our > "attitude" from. God, with behaviour like that you just make us ignore > you, Duncan.
Sorry. As you'll note, I said "can be "controversially"... I never stated that *I* held that position personally, as I was taking the third-person observer position. As such, I've seen that attitude expressed by others in multiple threads when systemd comes up (as Josef alluded to as well), and that I simply interpreted the remark to which I was alluding ("And that's now a btrfs problem.... :/") as a sarcastic reference to that attitude... which again I never claimed as my own. Thus the "whoosh", in reference to what I interpreted as sarcasm, which certainly doesn't require fully agreement with in ordered to understand. (Tho as I mentioned elsewhere, I can certainly see where they're coming from given the recent kernel debug kerfuffle and the like... and I'm certainly not alone there... but I'm /trying/ to steer a reasonably neutral path while appreciating both sides.) In fact, I specifically stated elsewhere that in fact I recently switched to systemd -- by choice as I'm on gentoo which still defaults to openrc -- myself. Certainly I would not have done so if I believed systemd was as bad as all that, and the fact that I HAVE done so definitely implies a rather large amount of both trust and respect in the systemd devs, or I'd not be willing to run their code. But never-the-less I can see the viewpoint from both sides now, and do try to maintain a reasonable neutrality. I guess I should have made that more explicit in the original post, but as they say, hindsight is 20/20. =:^\ -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel