On Tue, 21.10.14 10:53, Martin Steigerwald (mar...@lichtvoll.de) wrote: > So, aside from it being additional work, is there any *solid* or even > *unavoidable* technical reason to couple functionality that tightly?
Yes, there always is. For logind for example we need to be able to group the processes of a session, so that we can keep track of them, list them, kill them, get notifications about them, and so on. For that we need the "scope" concept of PID1. That's why logind talks to PID 1. You know, it really annoys me if you imply that we just made these choices because we are assholes. We use the APIs we use because we need their technical functionality. It's that simple. It would be great if you'd grant us the benefit of the doubt at least, instead of implying anything else. > Wherever I look free software projects do great extra work to modularize and > separate out functionality that can be separate. For a reason. See KDE > community for example. They spend years of development work into separating > things out into separate packages and have a clear ruling on what may depend > on what. There are other examples for sure, OpenStack for example, while I do > not yet know it in detail consists of a ton of separate packages in > Debian. Well, we are not KDE, and not OpenStack. We provide a basic toolbox to build an OS from. Compare us with Busybox if you must. I don't hear you complaining about busybox all the time! > So or so… I think its this kind of attitude that triggers most of the > polarity > and split. Well, our priority is to solve technical problems in a way we perceive elegant and minimal. Your priority appears to be appeasing people who prefer religious reasoning over technical reasoning. I am pretty sure you cannot appease those, and we will not compromise our technical necessesities for that. Anyway, can we please end this discussion on this ML please? Please continue this somewhere else, this ML is really for technical discussions. Sorry, Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Red Hat _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel