Am 12.04.2016 um 20:37 schrieb Xen:
Reindl Harald schreef op 12-04-16 11:24:Regular hardware should not suddenly appear out of nowhere, but I do not know about that Thunderbolt thing you mentionedthat is nonsense * USB hardware is often *onboard* like SD-card slots on ProLiant machines down to the HP microserver * touchpad is typically a internal USB device * hotplug exists for SATA, SAS and many other interfaces "that Thunderbolt thing you mentioned"? please do your homework https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_%28interface%29 not that i am a big fan of the "predictable" names but you appear talking about things you have not much clueThen do it yourself.
what?
If you know more about it. Someone has to take up the ball, right?
i did my homework
Why should some average user like me know everything about a system they are designing just to say a few things on the topic of how utterly insane the current solution is?
maybe you did not realize it:i am just a user like you but with technical understanding, the point is that you talk about things which you don't gasp in a way like you are the king
Thunderbolt is a largely irrelevant technology from what it seems.
says who?
Recent years have seen a proliferation of new technologies but most people don't even use them: * DisplayPort, the vast majority of computer users may not ever have used it.
tell that the 6 workstations i am responsible for
* USB 3.0, I have two cases that have a front USB 3.0 port, while having motherboards that do not support them (I'm using eSATA, it is enough for me) - and another motherboard with 3.0 at the back but no support for a connector (I mean onboard).
it does not matter what is enough for you
When I look back at my parents, they have not even used a computer. I grew up with the technology of the 80s / 90s. Now people are going crazy about 4k displays. My mother uses less than a 37" display. I actually mean 37cm. For a television, yes that small.
sad enough that you have no self-expierience as i started prohramming i was 9 years old on a C64 frankly i used that thing until 1999 but what has this to do with the topic?
There are people in the world that cannot afford food, but we are selling 4k displays that no one needs, and technology that goes with it to support that data that, in the end, therefore, no one needs either.
but what has this to do with the topic?
Huge data, sure, it can use the technology, and maybe that is your clientele. But that also makes it clear that this is not about regular users, but probably only about server parks.
but what has this to do with the topic?
So Thunderbolt can connect PCIe prior to booting, causing it to obtain a number on the PCI bus? See, I don't know the exact functioning of the technology from reading that Wikipedia page (and I did, thank you). If it does obtain a number on the PCI bus, it means disconnecting it might do what? Have these people been honest about what actually happens? For the most part, the more I learn the more I am astounded as to how bad this technology is.
but what has this to do with the topic?
Well my apologies for not being as brilliant as I could be. I have been a loser in life lately.
but what has this to do with the topic?
I would like to apologize to the entire human race ;-). I have let you down :p ;-). For real. In a certain sense yes You could say I have. Or myself, or you, doesn't matter. Anyway.
but what has this to do with the topic?
The number of Thunderbolt devices is abysmally small and it is only going to be a success relatively speaking due to USB-C, which is also the reason USB 3 is going to be more of a sane thing in the end.
but what has this to do with the topic?
I do not even need Full HD in my home. I still watch DVDs and many people don't have BluRay. I am happy with 720p, it is more than what I need actually for the stuff I do.
but what has this to do with the topic?
If there is no provision to put Thunderbolt devices behind "regular" PCIe, and there probably won't be, what is going to happen to the biosdev naming scheme if such a device is removed? Did people think about that? Do bus numbers stay the same? What then, what else?
but what has this to do with the topic?
Well my apologies for not having in-depth knowledge about these issues.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK about topics you start to talk about like you are the king
But I was led to believe biosdev led to stability and I based my arguments on that, but it is not even stable in my own system. We were talking specifically about networking here. I do not know how many hotpluggable devices there are apart from USB, I'm sorry.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK about topics you start to talk about like you are the king
It appears the standard provisions for "BCMA", "CCW" and a few other things including "hotplug slot index number". The USB hardware you mention is not going to appear out of nowhere. Stay focussed here.
BULLSHIT the point is that devices can appear out of nowehere at any point in time
SATA and SAS are not networking technologies.
how does that matter when you hang yourself on PCI numbers?
Don't hold me responsible for the mess you (or other people) have created
i created nothing and just a user like yourself, i am just annyoed that somebody who even states that he has no deeper knowledge has such a large mouth
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