<<<  For example, there are a host of 4:00
milers who can only run 49-50s for 400m but can run 1:47 in the 800
whereas no 400m runner with a 49-50s PR could do the same, but would need
to be in the 45-47.low range. >>>

I find it hard to swallow that a guy could go 52.5/54.7 = 1:47.2 .... but
could manage only 49.x-50s for 400m.

Also, if you are a 1:47/4:00y-flat guy ... you are a much better 400/800 guy
than a 1500 runner.

I know this was your event, but Elliott's numbers seemed EXACTLY right to me
just the way they are


And regarding this:
<<< So two guys both running 1:45 could have significant
differences in their 400m times. >>>

Isn't 45.5-47.0 a significant difference?

Elliott wrote:  << 800m in 1.45 = 400m in 45.5 - 47.0 >>






-----Original Message-----
From: P.F.Talbot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:03 PM
To: Elliott Oti
Cc: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail)
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)


On Thu, 3 May 2001, Elliott Oti wrote:
> About nine years ago I ran against Koers in a 400m which he won in 47.2
> - 47.3. This despite the fact that Koers considers himself to be
> primarily a 1500m man.

Nine years ago I was a teammate of Marko's and I saw him run mid 48s in an
open though he could get below 48 in a relay.  His webpage doesn't have
his 400m PR so I'll take you word on it.  I wonder how many 800m guys can
run 7:46 for 3000?  Marko also qualified for the NCAA cross country
nationals as an individual which means he certainly could break 30:00 in a
10,000 as well.


> I think you do not give 800m runners enough credit. Based on personal
> observation I would say the following times correspond roughly:
>
> 800m in 1. 55 = 400m in 50.0 - 52.0
> 800m in 1. 50 = 400m in 48.0 - 50.0
> 800m in 1.45 = 400m in 45.5 - 47.0

I don't have it in front of me and may be remembering wrong but I think
there is discussion of this in Run With the Best in which the basic
argument is that it is a sliding scale.  The 400/800 types have to be MUCH
faster over 400m to achieve the same 800m time as a 800/1500 type with a
slower 400m time.  So two guys both running 1:45 could have significant
differences in their 400m times.  For example, there are a host of 4:00
milers who can only run 49-50s for 400m but can run 1:47 in the 800
whereas no 400m runner with a 49-50s PR could do the same, but would need
to be in the 45-47.low range.

Regards,

Paul

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