we should probably not forget jeff 'el raton' atkinson.

pr--3:52.80
hs--4:24

toby


From: Patrick Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Patrick Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: mile improvement since high school
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 23:29:22 -0400 (EDT)

Below is my full list of mile improvements since high school.

After studying it a bit, the fact that somebody has improved
30 seconds (and broken 4 minutes) usually means that they
weren't training enough for the mile, or that they were
running the wrong event.

It is more interesting to look at the sub 4:10 milers and
to see how much they improved.  Since they must have worked
pretty hard to get to that level. Of course
the Webb factor makes the list more interesting.

Here is my full list
http://www.cs.uml.edu/~phoffman/nats/slowmilers.htm

High School Improvement List

Improvements from High School times to pr's


                   HS          all time PR      Secs improve
Roger Bannister     4:52.0          3:59.6        52.4
Scott Strand        4:50            4:00+         50    **
Liam O'Neil         4:50            4:02??        48
John M. Landy       4:43.8          3:58.0        45.8
Dick Beurkle        4:36            3:55          41
Brian Culley        4:51            4:19          32
Tom Byers           4:21            3:50          31
Finn Pincus         4:53            4:22+         31
Paul McMullen       4:21.5+         3:51.7+       29.8
Dave Wottle         4:22??          3:53          29
Mark Beeman         4:27            4:00          27
Jamey Harris        4:19+           3:54.90       24
Tom Carleo          4:23+           4:00+(3:41.9) 23+
Steve Scott         4:10+           3:47          23
Paul Talbot         4:38            4:16          22
John Jordan         4:24            4:02          22
Mark Coogan         4:20            3:58          22
John Schiefer       4:20            3:59+         21
Steve Holman        4:10+           3:49+         21
Bill Burke          4:14            3:53+(3:35)   21
Buck Jones          4:17            3:57          20
Brian Gallagher     4:18+           3:59          19
Darren Shearer      4:18            3:59          19
Marc "doc" Davis    4:13            3:54          19
Joe Falcon          4:08            3:49          19
Phil Lussier        4:16?           3:58+         18
Paul Cummings       4;10.7          3:56.4        14.3
John Gregorek       4:05            3:51          14
Bob Kennedy         4:06            3:56          10
Marty Liquori       3:59.8          3:52.2         7.6
Matt Centrowitz     4:01.27+        3:54.9         6.4
Jim Ryun            3:55            3:51           4
Time Danielson      3:59.4          3:59.4         0
Gerry Lindgren      4:01.5          4:01.5         0
Rich Kimball        4:02.4          4:02.4?        0

Alan Webb           3:53.43         ??????

This is an interesting list, its not necessarily better to be on the top
or the bottom.(well the very bottom is rather disappointing, but
most high school athletes don't improve)
  I'm really only interested in people who
have broken 4:00 minutes or the metric equivalent 3:41.45 or T&F's 3:42.2
here are two great lists sub 4 milers and sub 4
milers chronologically

If you are on those lists please submit me your HS pr and I will add you
to this list. Thanks
Patrick E. Hoffman back to XC,Track and Running Analysis


Patrick E. Hoffman, Sc.D           Anvil Informatics
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