In a message dated Wed, 26 Jun 2002 4:37:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jon Alquist 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>>WORLD RECORD OR NOT A WORLD RECORD?
>
>>Not to take anything away from University of Arizona freshman Sean 
>>Shields's fine winning shot put of 20.39/66-10.75 at the recent US 
>>Junior Championships, I was just wondering why he is being credited 
>>with setting an American Junior record and equalling the World 
>>Junior record.>>

It's clearly a super-cheap record, but since the concept of "relative worth" can't 
enter into any record equation, the new Junior Records in the shot start w/ the 16lb 
mark; 20.39 for WRJ, 20.38 for AJR. As soon as somebody reaches that mark w/ the new 
6kg, it's a record. There's no other way to do it, unfortunately.

As a parallel (in reverse, because times get smaller while throws get longer), for 
decades, when English marks were still being ratified as WRs, Americans were getting 
cheap 880y records that were clearly far inferior to the 800m best. e.g., Harbig ran 
1:46.6 (worth 1:47.3 for yards) in '39, but Mal Whitfield was given full WR credit for 
a laughably slower 1:49.2y in '50. 

>>To add to the confusion, although Carter's mark tops the all-time 
>>junior lists in both the FAST and ATFS Annuals, it is listed in both 
>>publications' record sections as not having been "officially 
>>ratified" by either USATF or IAAF. Does anyone know the reason why 
>>Carter's obviously vastly superior mark, which was made in an 
>>international dual meet against the Soviet Union in Boston on July 
>>4, 1979, has never been officially ratified? >>

There was a taping-the-hand issue. T&FN didn't buy the argument and accepted the 67-9 
as the HSR, even though it didn't get deserved Junior status. I'm not sure if the mark 
would be legal under current taping strictures.

gh

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