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Hi Hale.

Yes of course I know ATA should drive something different that
a disc, without cylinders zones and platters but ...
For now, I think we can all agree a good defragmentation works
on ascending LBA (or descending). A good result is when a file
is recorded in huge contiguous LBAs.
Well ... even if the File System should only manage something of
quite high level as LBA, don't you think the efficiency of the drive
itself should be really improved if having another entry point for all
those optimizing HDD performance software ?
I find strange that such software cannot know that a defective sector
has been reallocated several tracks further.
Immagine also the work of people having to test and compare several
HDD. All the tests will perhaps give a bad result on one drive just
because of one sector reallocation ...
Solution could be a little ATA-7 (not for now of course) extension ... ?

Thanks for reading.

Gilles Mollié


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> I really do hate to discuss disk drive performance, however, ...
>
> And I will apologize now for being so, how shall I say this,
> rude?  But these sort of statements really bug me!
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  "In general you are correct,
> >but then there are exceptions.  Some people like to fully
> >characterise HDD's by measuring head & cylinder skews, transfer
> >rates by zone, HDD command overhead, seek time versus seek
> >distance etc etc.  In these cases such an interface provides the
> >accuracy required."
>
> Even if you think you can measure head and cylinder (oh, don't
> forget zone) skews from the interface using standard commands (I
> hate to tell you this but this is big waste of time), how do you
> know the data you get from one drive will look anything like the
> data you get from another drive of the same brand and model and
> having a serial number one greater?  YOU DON"T!  You have no idea
> how the factory defects are distributed, no idea how the sectors
> are arranged (and this is not a simple as you think it is).  And
> I wonder how many people realize that lower capacity drives are
> just that because the drive would have been a full capacity drive
> except one of the heads was defective?  Please, when you make
> statements about "characterize" a drive it tells me you really
> don't understand disk drives or what you are measuring.  How do
> you even know if a drive is "seeking" between two LBA addresses?
> You might be surprised to find that two LBA addresses that are
> 1000's or 100000's or even 1000000's apart map to physical
> sectors that are very close on the media.  What you think should
> be a big seek might not be a seek at all.
>
> ...

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